In case anyone's interested, I have some updated versions of my plugins going at https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/workshop/.
It's a never-ending evolution, breaking and fixing and tweaking, but I thought I'd share an imperfect public wiki. The latest version of Omni addresses some of David Gifford's notes: hiding of the toolbar that changes modes, and more sensible placeholder text. I also fixed whole-tiddler folding for omnibuses, which I had broken and then neglected for a long time. Cheers, Chris On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: > Thanks Chris! Look forward to seeing how this develops. > > On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:32:58 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since August. >> Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback! >> >> ...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had a >> lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often >> happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life >> has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share >> and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. Heh. >> It's still there in my local wikis. >> >> I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding >> within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I >> do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But >> the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout >> is specified in my "Quick" plugin, >> >> The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" >> to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", >> and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole tiddler >> (i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after >> a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a >> snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning >> that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't >> bothered me enough to clean up...yet. >> >> Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to >> what extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want >> to use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots of >> custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding >> fields to tiddlers. >> >> As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that must >> be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different modes >> (one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for >> reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top >> omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, so >> it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface >> for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle >> the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >> >>> Hi clutterstack >>> >>> Here are my reactions: >>> >>> 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting >>> multiple-but-not-all tiddlers. >>> 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that >>> much, but that is a great idea. >>> 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one >>> bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. >>> I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are >>> headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which >>> made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change >>> anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace Another >>> one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for. >>> 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that >>> might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to >>> hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me. >>> 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse >>> individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag to >>> rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is >>> not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as needed. >>> Great, great job. >>> 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than >>> at the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file online, >>> whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still >>> visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to >>> focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each >>> subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for >>> content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a >>> problem. >>> >>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote: >>> >>>> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing >>>> this in August. I just played with this and I really like it! >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>>> LOL >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> @David Gifford >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the >>>>>>> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: >>>>>>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Looks interesting! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the >>>>>>>> reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although >>>>>>>> it converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called >>>>>>>> Omni, >>>>>>>> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". >>>>>>>> Here's >>>>>>>> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right >>>>>>>> away (or ever) >>>>>>>> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop >>>>>>>> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus >>>>>>>> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop >>>>>>>> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus >>>>>>>> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some >>>>>>>> overlap, although there are some slightly different decisions among >>>>>>>> Streams, NotoWritey, and Omni. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Demo and some notes are available at >>>>>>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs >>>>>>>> a major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. >>>>>>>> Certainly, >>>>>>>> the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my >>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>> climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand >>>>>>>> Saq's code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe >>>>>>>> someone will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is >>>>>>>> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble >>>>>>>> "omnibuses" into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can >>>>>>>> collect >>>>>>>> a lot into a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/348d0d0f-080e-4d66-b1af-a947d75f0e10n%40googlegroups.com.
