Thanks, Mohammad! I am not sure that my proto-theme is something that would be useful in its current state, but I do appreciate the importance of sharing visual options for TiddlyWiki. I admire your work on that front!
I'll have a look to understand a bit more what's involved in a usable theme. Best, Chris On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:47:04 PM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote: > Good progress! Nice tools! > > I see new theme and palette in your new release. It would be great to > announce them and lets interested user download them separately. > > Thank you for sharing Chris! > > --Mohammad > > On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:32:19 PM UTC+3:30 clutterstack wrote: > >> In case anyone's interested, I have some updated versions of my plugins >> going at https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/workshop/. >> >> It's a never-ending evolution, breaking and fixing and tweaking, but I >> thought I'd share an imperfect public wiki. The latest version of Omni >> addresses some of David Gifford's notes: hiding of the toolbar that changes >> modes, and more sensible placeholder text. I also fixed whole-tiddler >> folding for omnibuses, which I had broken and then neglected for a long >> time. >> >> Cheers, >> Chris >> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >> >>> Thanks Chris! Look forward to seeing how this develops. >>> >>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:32:58 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since >>>> August. Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback! >>>> >>>> ...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had >>>> a lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often >>>> happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life >>>> has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share >>>> and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. >>>> Heh. >>>> It's still there in my local wikis. >>>> >>>> I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding >>>> within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I >>>> do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But >>>> the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout >>>> is specified in my "Quick" plugin, >>>> >>>> The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" >>>> to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", >>>> and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole >>>> tiddler >>>> (i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after >>>> a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a >>>> snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning >>>> that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't >>>> bothered me enough to clean up...yet. >>>> >>>> Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to >>>> what extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want >>>> to use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots >>>> of >>>> custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding >>>> fields to tiddlers. >>>> >>>> As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that >>>> must be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different >>>> modes (one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for >>>> reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top >>>> omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, >>>> so >>>> it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface >>>> for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle >>>> the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Chris >>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi clutterstack >>>>> >>>>> Here are my reactions: >>>>> >>>>> 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting >>>>> multiple-but-not-all tiddlers. >>>>> 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags >>>>> that much, but that is a great idea. >>>>> 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one >>>>> bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title >>>>> editor. >>>>> I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are >>>>> headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, >>>>> which >>>>> made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change >>>>> anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace >>>>> Another >>>>> one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for. >>>>> 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that >>>>> might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to >>>>> hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me. >>>>> 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse >>>>> individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag >>>>> to >>>>> rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is >>>>> not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as >>>>> needed. >>>>> Great, great job. >>>>> 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than >>>>> at the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file >>>>> online, >>>>> whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still >>>>> visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to >>>>> focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each >>>>> subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for >>>>> content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot >>>>>> seeing this in August. I just played with this and I really like it! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> LOL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @David Gifford >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: >>>>>>>>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looks interesting! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the >>>>>>>>>> reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although >>>>>>>>>> it converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called >>>>>>>>>> Omni, >>>>>>>>>> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". >>>>>>>>>> Here's >>>>>>>>>> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right >>>>>>>>>> away (or ever) >>>>>>>>>> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop >>>>>>>>>> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus >>>>>>>>>> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop >>>>>>>>>> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus >>>>>>>>>> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some >>>>>>>>>> overlap, although there are some slightly different decisions among >>>>>>>>>> Streams, NotoWritey, and Omni. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Demo and some notes are available at >>>>>>>>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it >>>>>>>>>> needs a major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will >>>>>>>>>> keep. >>>>>>>>>> Certainly, the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is >>>>>>>>>> due to my >>>>>>>>>> having climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and >>>>>>>>>> understand Saq's code. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe >>>>>>>>>> someone will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble >>>>>>>>>> "omnibuses" into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can >>>>>>>>>> collect >>>>>>>>>> a lot into a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Chris >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/4827607d-c7e2-4826-83d0-cf0457d2500bn%40googlegroups.com.
