Good progress! Nice tools! I see new theme and palette in your new release. It would be great to announce them and lets interested user download them separately.
Thank you for sharing Chris! --Mohammad On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:32:19 PM UTC+3:30 clutterstack wrote: > In case anyone's interested, I have some updated versions of my plugins > going at https://clutterstack.github.io/can-tw/workshop/. > > It's a never-ending evolution, breaking and fixing and tweaking, but I > thought I'd share an imperfect public wiki. The latest version of Omni > addresses some of David Gifford's notes: hiding of the toolbar that changes > modes, and more sensible placeholder text. I also fixed whole-tiddler > folding for omnibuses, which I had broken and then neglected for a long > time. > > Cheers, > Chris > On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: > >> Thanks Chris! Look forward to seeing how this develops. >> >> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:32:58 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since August. >>> Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback! >>> >>> ...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had a >>> lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often >>> happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life >>> has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share >>> and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. Heh. >>> It's still there in my local wikis. >>> >>> I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding >>> within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I >>> do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But >>> the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout >>> is specified in my "Quick" plugin, >>> >>> The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" >>> to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", >>> and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole tiddler >>> (i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after >>> a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a >>> snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning >>> that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't >>> bothered me enough to clean up...yet. >>> >>> Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to >>> what extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want >>> to use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots of >>> custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding >>> fields to tiddlers. >>> >>> As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that >>> must be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different >>> modes (one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for >>> reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top >>> omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, so >>> it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface >>> for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle >>> the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chris >>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: >>> >>>> Hi clutterstack >>>> >>>> Here are my reactions: >>>> >>>> 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting >>>> multiple-but-not-all tiddlers. >>>> 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that >>>> much, but that is a great idea. >>>> 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one >>>> bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. >>>> I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are >>>> headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which >>>> made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change >>>> anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace >>>> Another >>>> one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for. >>>> 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that >>>> might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to >>>> hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me. >>>> 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse >>>> individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag >>>> to >>>> rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is >>>> not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as >>>> needed. >>>> Great, great job. >>>> 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than >>>> at the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file >>>> online, >>>> whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still >>>> visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to >>>> focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each >>>> subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for >>>> content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote: >>>> >>>>> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot >>>>> seeing this in August. I just played with this and I really like it! >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LOL >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> @David Gifford >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the >>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: >>>>>>>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks interesting! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the >>>>>>>>> reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although >>>>>>>>> it converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called >>>>>>>>> Omni, >>>>>>>>> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". >>>>>>>>> Here's >>>>>>>>> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right >>>>>>>>> away (or ever) >>>>>>>>> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop >>>>>>>>> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus >>>>>>>>> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop >>>>>>>>> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus >>>>>>>>> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some >>>>>>>>> overlap, although there are some slightly different decisions among >>>>>>>>> Streams, NotoWritey, and Omni. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Demo and some notes are available at >>>>>>>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs >>>>>>>>> a major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. >>>>>>>>> Certainly, >>>>>>>>> the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my >>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>> climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and >>>>>>>>> understand >>>>>>>>> Saq's code. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe >>>>>>>>> someone will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble >>>>>>>>> "omnibuses" into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can >>>>>>>>> collect >>>>>>>>> a lot into a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/b7458a3c-db7a-474d-9fb7-8180f9ae2a8cn%40googlegroups.com.
