Thanks Chris! Look forward to seeing how this develops. On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 1:32:58 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:
> Hi David, > > Wow, I'd better have a look at how this plugin has changed since August. > Thanks so much for your thoughtful feedback! > > ...It hasn't changed on github, but locally the Omnibus plugin has had a > lot of work under the hood; maybe not as much superficially. As often > happens, I had intended to update the public version frequently, but life > has kept me busy and my own modifications rarely seem quite ready to share > and document. "Another one bites the dust" was never meant to stay up. Heh. > It's still there in my local wikis. > > I prefer the title input field beneath the text, because if I'm adding > within an omnibus I usually don't want to bother with a title -- and if I > do, often the title comes to me only after I've written its contents. But > the input fields should certainly identify themselves clearly. This layout > is specified in my "Quick" plugin, > > The current (my local) version has a tiddler tagged "$:/tags/ViewTemplate" > to display the Omnibus stuff after the body on tiddlers tagged "omnibus", > and I have not repaired the effect that has on folding of the whole tiddler > (i.e. it doesn't fold). That's on my list of things to fix, but it's after > a lot of other issues that get in the way of my using my wikis. There's a > snowplow effect of annoyances that don't stop the plugin from functioning > that I've really ignored -- as with the "omnibus" tag, which just hasn't > bothered me enough to clean up...yet. > > Incidentally, nearer the start of this odyssey I really wasn't sure to > what extent I wanted to use tags vs. custom fields, in general. Did I want > to use several categories of tags, and have some hidden? Did I want lots of > custom fields? I've become much more comfortable with the idea of adding > fields to tiddlers. > > As for putting the omnibus-mode icons in the sidebar, certainly that must > be doable. I do sometimes have more than one omni open, in different modes > (one may be under intensive construction, another could be just for > reading, and another a todo list). On my current wikis, only the top > omnibus shows the mode-selection icons and sub-omnis follow its setting, so > it's less cluttered. I can see the desirability of cleaning the interface > for publishing read-only omnis. Maybe a view-mode toolbar button to toggle > the mode icons? Then it could be per-tiddler. > > Cheers, > Chris > On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 10:51:47 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote: > >> Hi clutterstack >> >> Here are my reactions: >> >> 1. That export tab is a stroke of genius! Time saver for exporting >> multiple-but-not-all tiddlers. >> 2. That drag tags tab is also a stroke of genius. I don't use tags that >> much, but that is a great idea. >> 3. It took me a while to figure out that effectively, the Another one >> bites the dust is the text field editor and the Title is the title editor. >> I am so used to seeing title on top and text below. And since they are >> headers, that reinforced my idea that the top was the tiddler title, which >> made me wonder what the title field was for. Not saying you should change >> anything, just letting you know of my confusion. Or perhaps replace Another >> one bites the dust with Text or something that identifies what it is for. >> 4. Not a fan of having an omnibus tag for omnibus tiddlers, since that >> might be confusing to viewers if I publish a file online, but I tend to >> hide the tags field in view mode anyway, so it won't affect me. >> 5. Amazing that it all comes toghether so well, expand/collapse >> individually or collectively, change editing options or show clean, drag to >> rearrange, add new in the place where you want it. Also the interface is >> not overly invasive/cluttered, and you can hide various elements as needed. >> Great, great job. >> 6. Could the three editing options icons be in the sidebar rather than at >> the top of the tiddler? I say this because for publishing a file online, >> whether as static html or as the TiddlyWiki file, those icons are still >> visible in the text and will confuse viewers for whom I just want them to >> focus on the final content produced. I realize you have it set up so each >> subtiddler has the icons for multilevel fine tuned controls, but for >> content creators who want to use it to produce content, the icons are a >> problem. >> >> On Thursday, October 29, 2020 at 7:58:10 AM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote: >> >>> WOW either this plugin has changed a lot, or I completely forgot seeing >>> this in August. I just played with this and I really like it! >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 3:48:11 PM UTC-5 David Gifford wrote: >>> >>>> LOL >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>> >>>>> @David Gifford >>>>> >>>>> Hey, I made the big time! ;) Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 8:40:33 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't had the chance to play with this, but I added it to the >>>>>> TiddlyWiki Toolmap here: >>>>>> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=QWdEBqaQUwlcIQVkU4TWTauS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks interesting! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, August 3, 2020 at 3:21:39 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Following on from my quick adder plugin, I've built a demo of the >>>>>>> reason I wanted the quick-adding capability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was pretty excited about this, and I guess I still am, although it >>>>>>> converges quite a lot toward Streams and NotoWritey. It's called Omni, >>>>>>> short for Omnibus, because each one collects tiddler "passengers". >>>>>>> Here's >>>>>>> what I said in the demo are its basic capabilities: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Quickly add tiddlers, without needing to think of a title right >>>>>>> away (or ever) >>>>>>> * Rearrange tiddlers within and between omnibuses by drag and drop >>>>>>> * Drag and drop to add tiddlers to the omnibus >>>>>>> * Add (existing) tags to tiddlers by drag and drop >>>>>>> * Set indentation levels or styles for tiddlers within the omnibus >>>>>>> * "Fold" and "unfold" tiddler transclusions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see I Ieft out "edit tiddler text". You can see there's some >>>>>>> overlap, although there are some slightly different decisions among >>>>>>> Streams, NotoWritey, and Omni. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Demo and some notes are available at >>>>>>> https://clutterstack.github.io/TW5-omni/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having used this for a bit, I have come to the conclusion it needs a >>>>>>> major reworking under the hood, but there's a lot I will keep. >>>>>>> Certainly, >>>>>>> the fact that I know Streams is much better-written is due to my having >>>>>>> climbed a learning curve writing this -- I can now read and understand >>>>>>> Saq's code. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, although this is not a production-ready plugin, maybe >>>>>>> someone will get an idea or snippet from this. The plugin repo is >>>>>>> https://github.com/clutterstack/TW5-omni. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I plan to incorporate more ways to manipulate and assemble >>>>>>> "omnibuses" into my wiki. My historical problem has been that I can >>>>>>> collect >>>>>>> a lot into a wiki but it's a bit of a black hole after that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/6bad1ba9-8806-45ca-9710-346afd6a6831n%40googlegroups.com.
