Hi Mohammad > Many thanks for clarification! So, there are obstacles and limitations for > having a microkernel Tiddlywiki.
Just factors that hadn’t been discussed so far, it’s a good discussion. I meant to add to my earlier reply that I do plan to do something similar for v5.2.x in that I’d like to move obsolete and deprecated components into an optional plugin. It won’t necessarily have a huge impact on the size of the core, but it will make it simpler and easier to understand. Best wishes Jeremy. > > Best wishes > Mohammad > > On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 9:21:33 PM UTC+3:30 jeremy...@gmail.com > <http://gmail.com/> wrote: > The idea of stripping TiddlyWiki down to a microkernel and making everything > be a plugin comes up fairly frequently, and seems to be an idea with some > appeal. > > One factor that hasn’t been mentioned so far is that the microkernel > architecture would make testing and support a good deal more complicated. > Core developers and plugin authors would have to test against all the common > combinations of core plugins. Every single support enquiry would have to be > prefaced by a discussion to find out exactly what combination of plugins the > user has. > > Of course, to some extent we have this problem already because we already > have plugins. But right now the goal for the core is for it to contain not > the bare minimum possible functionality, but rather the functionality that > has the potential to be universally useful. That broader criteria means that > the core itself is sufficient for a lot of work with TiddlyWiki, making the > life of users and developers a lot easier. > > A consideration that has already been mentioned is whether it really matters > that the core gets big, especially now that we’re in a world where a simple > news story weighs 20MB. There are valid concerns about slow networks but the > best solution there is to set the server up with GZip compression because it > will benefit the content in the wiki too. > > As to why TW5 is larger than TWC, it’s really just because TW5 has so much > more functionality beyond the basic user experience that both systems share. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy. > > >> On 5 Nov 2020, at 00:36, TW Tones <anthony...@gmail.com >> <applewebdata://E6EAE8F5-448A-442F-8A9E-FE30357DC17D>> wrote: >> > >> Mark, >> >> As I understand it this is already possible. External Javascript. >> >> I also wonder if one could selectively remove code not used, however this >> would need an analysis process. And an exclusion on save, perhaps an >> alternate core plugin. >> >> The dynamic range of application of tiddlywiki would possibly be enhanced >> with a lower size however in todays world we most often have sufficient >> overheads that reduction has less benefit than being comprehensive or self >> documented. >> >> Regards >> Tony >> >> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 08:12:12 UTC+11, Mark S. wrote: >> If TW5 could be made to run like javascript, then you could separate the >> core from the working files. So you could have a local core library which >> all your tiddlywiki files could resource, without having to include them in >> every download/upload/save. >> >> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:00:21 PM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote: >> Tiddlywiki is rapidly improving and you can see great features in the recent >> releases. >> From 2.1.17+ amazing features have been added to Tiddlywiki! One question is >> about the size of empty.html (the virgin Tiddlywiki). See the below table >> >> Release Size (kb) >> 5.1.12 1820 >> 5.1.15 2025 >> 5.1.17 2033 >> 5.1.19 2153 >> 5.1.21 2235 >> 5.1.22 2197 >> 5.1.12 2282 >> >> While I love the new features, but, how big a virgin Tiddlywiki can be? >> Assuming many users work with single file mode and using different >> Tiddlywiki for different purposes, I think we should set a maximum size, >> before going to have bigger empty.html >> >> >> Suggestions >> A. Use official plugins >> 1. Keep the core as light as possible, go down to 1MB size (strip everything >> extra) >> 2. Put extra features in official plugins >> >> B. Start a new generation >> 1.Release TW 5.2 with minimum size core (include only essential part) >> 2. Leave all backward compatibility to Tiddlywiki 5.1.xx >> 3. Stop developing 5.1.xx and only release bug fixes >> >> If Jeremy can go for a new generation of Tiddlywiki, I may also suggest >> 1. Sweep the core from all duplicated codes and those retained backward >> compatibility and leave them for 5.1.xx >> 2. Rethink about filters and implement using the more versatile approach, >> like those are going on in GitHub (e.g. Saq proposal for multi input filters) >> 3. Use flexible switchable page layout >> 4. Think for a cleaner scripting (remove all duplication, improved grammar, >> ... there is a lot of good discussions in the forum and GitHub) >> 5. Think of a new name (re-branding) >> 6. ... >> >> I am sure people can suggest more here >> >> >> Best wishes >> Mohammad >> >> TW-Scripts <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/> codes, macros, and >> solutions in Tiddlywiki >> TW-Commander <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Commander/> bulk operations on >> tiddlers >> TW-Trashbin <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Trashbin/> a Tiddlywiki trashbin >> tool >> TW-Favorites <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Favorites/> a favorites and >> bookmarking tool >> TW-Todolist <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/> organize, prioritize, >> and plan your work >> >> https://github.com/kookma <https://github.com/kookma> >> >> > >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TiddlyWiki" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com >> <applewebdata://E6EAE8F5-448A-442F-8A9E-FE30357DC17D>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/849b14d2-cfa3-46b8-be83-3c68ce74c306o%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/849b14d2-cfa3-46b8-be83-3c68ce74c306o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/eb50d5f0-598f-43b3-88b1-a6293bd22869n%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/eb50d5f0-598f-43b3-88b1-a6293bd22869n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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