Hi Tones, To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness.
To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver, or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc. Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a quick google gets me as far as this page <https://github.com/sendwheel/tw-receiver>, where I learn that tw-receiver apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side file to install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will likely have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert emoji for blank stare]) ... and having never done anything at all with php before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall of some kind. The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it? (As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for now, since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way. But I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss of tiddlyspot.) On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: > Springer, Alvin. > > Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is > fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the > store.php used to work with TWC and > I believe this has being discussed in > https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic. > > Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is > synchronised. > > Tones > > Tones > On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote: > >> Alvin, >> >> I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW >> projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly >> available via a potentially-public url. >> >> GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions >> (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). >> >> The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once >> (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional >> tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike >> tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication >> handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the >> password is set up on a given computer-browser system (and especially if >> you configure auto-save), future visits are just smooth as can be. >> >> I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet >> found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are >> editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a >> ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom >> domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set >> that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm >> determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of >> troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the >> github.com urls fairly easy to work with. >> >> -Springer >> >> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote: >> >>> Thank you to everybody that has replied. >>> >>> I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can >>> use GitHub for all of them. >>> >>> I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my account >>> less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use Dropbox. >>> >>> I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do >>> that. >>> >>> Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them >>> password protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking for. >>> >>> I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne >>> in the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files. >>> >>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote: >>> >>>> TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for >>>> instant-gratification create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having >>>> something like it is essential to attracting new users with an interest in >>>> public-facing instant-edit projects. >>>> >>>> Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and >>>> love the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's >>>> effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's >>>> comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) >>>> of >>>> getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the >>>> browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems >>>> like >>>> the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own >>>> experience, was idiosyncratic). >>>> >>>> -Springer >>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread carefully, >>>>> oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking at individual >>>>> hosting. I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for continued >>>>> tiddlyspot workingness. I'm guessing no one has heard anything regarding >>>>> the future of the site? >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just >>>>>> edit this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot is >>>>>> broken :( >>>>>> I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis. >>>>>> So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 a >>>>>> year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from >>>>>> https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from >>>>>> https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month. I >>>>>> haven't committed to anything yet....Going to boot up my pi and check I >>>>>> manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it. The joys of >>>>>> the >>>>>> command line..... >>>>>> >>>>>> Ste >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck >>>>>>> posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without >>>>>>> chocolate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, >>>>>>> preferably one that charges per space used rather than >>>>>>> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php >>>>>>> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be >>>>>>> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. >>>>>>> When >>>>>>> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one rate >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that >>>>>>> charge >>>>>>> per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site getting >>>>>>> hacked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the >>>>>>> tiddlytoolmap seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> under one gig, then there's at least one website offering services at >>>>>>> $6/month plus probably $14/year for domain name registration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how much >>>>>>> a site would cost when the total size is unknown. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other >>>>>>> conversations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get >>>>>>>> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I >>>>>>>> offered >>>>>>>> chocolate for an answer? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon >>>>>>>>> and Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard >>>>>>>>> so far >>>>>>>>> is crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on >>>>>>>>> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate it >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also >>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>> know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign >>>>>>>>> gmail dot com) about my offer, please do so directly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/02ef6a94-1b10-4546-89f4-ab13f9d5cc8bn%40googlegroups.com.
