Again, thank you, thank you for all the replies. I do a little PHP programming, so I know the hosting service I use provides that.
I have the TiddlyDesktop which I use for the very first TiddlyWiki files I have because there's old information there that I've sometimes copied into my TiddlySpot files. Wonderful thing about TiddlySpot is that when I'm on the road without a computer, I can call back home and have my SO look things up for me. I've done that often. I like GitHub, but would accessing my TiddlySpot files there be complicated for a non-geek? You guys are great! If I could do it, I'd offer a round of chocolate for everybody. On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:05 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < [email protected]> wrote: > It *is* complicated. Not exactly an easy solution, and usually not free. > > I suspect your university wouldn't want non-IT people setting up > public-facing PHP-based servers. > > On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 11:31:54 PM UTC-8 springer wrote: > >> Hi Tones, >> >> To folks who speak server-talk, phrases like "a standard php server with >> tw-receiver" and "the store.php" are surely as clear as day. And I >> appreciate that your reply is a gesture of generous helpfulness. >> >> To someone like me, unpacking even those casual phrases is a risky >> investment of time. Even assuming that the server space I can use at my >> university is/has "standard" php (though I wouldn't know how to check >> that), I don't grasp what it would take to equip (?) it with tw-receiver, >> or whether tw-receiver lives (?) there at the server (and may require >> getting an IT person to approve/help) or whether "receiver" implies that I >> need to get it set up (?) at my end... , etc. >> >> Yes, I could grope around for some clarity on these matters... OK... a >> quick google gets me as far as this page >> <https://github.com/sendwheel/tw-receiver>, where I learn that >> tw-receiver apparently has both a tw-plugin component and a server-side >> file to install... ok... But then a bit further along I read that "You will >> likely have to make server side adjustments; things like setting directory >> permissions or ini configurations like max upload sizes". Meh. This is more >> server-speak; it assumes that I can orient to whether and how I need to >> make adjustments to "ini configurations" and "things like that" ([insert >> emoji for blank stare]) ... and having never done anything at all with php >> before, I just can't tell how long, or how steep, this learning-curve will >> be, and what the odds are that, one or two hours in, I'll hit a brick wall >> of some kind. >> >> The only reason I was able to work it out with GitHub was because of >> Mohammad's very careful step-by-step tutorial, written so that even I could >> understand it. Might something comparable be available for setting up a php >> server and getting tw-receiver up and running with it? >> >> (As I mentioned to Alvin, I'm pretty content with the GitHub saver for >> now, since it really does let TW5 behave over https in the Tiddlyspot way. >> But I'm replying on behalf of other muggles who feel stranded by the loss >> of tiddlyspot.) >> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 9:41:15 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >> >>> Springer, Alvin. >>> >>> Now days I only access my legacy TWC files via TiddlyDesktop, But TW5 is >>> fine to host on a standard php server with tw-receiver. I believe the >>> store.php used to work with TWC and >>> I believe this has being discussed in >>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikiclassic. >>> >>> Otherwise its easy to use Timimi from my desktop on a webdisk or that is >>> synchronised. >>> >>> Tones >>> >>> Tones >>> On Friday, 4 December 2020 at 13:05:04 UTC+11 springer wrote: >>> >>>> Alvin, >>>> >>>> I agree that losing TiddlySpot is a pain for anyone who really needs TW >>>> projects to be both spontaneously edited (from anywhere) and instantly >>>> available via a potentially-public url. >>>> >>>> GitHub is the only solution I've found that does meet these conditions >>>> (without being a server administrator or being a coding expert). >>>> >>>> The good news: As soon as you successfully set up GitHub once >>>> (configuring the right authentication for saving), adding additional >>>> tiddlywiki files in the same "repo" (repository) is VERY easy. Unlike >>>> tiddlyspot, you can have even GitHub use the same password authentication >>>> handshake for each of your five wikis. As with tiddlyspot, once the >>>> password is set up on a given computer-browser system (and especially if >>>> you configure auto-save), future visits are just smooth as can be. >>>> >>>> I also have domain names and access to server space, but have not yet >>>> found a way to use these resources to set up TW5 projects so that they are >>>> editable over https: browser access. In theory, GitHub can be a >>>> ventriloquist and allow your files to be accessed by way of your custom >>>> domain name's url system. So far, my attempts to follow directions to set >>>> that up have stumbled. So I can't confirm that it's easy, but I'm >>>> determined to return to the question when I have another chunk of >>>> troubleshooting time on my hands. In the meantime, I'm finding the >>>> github.com urls fairly easy to work with. >>>> >>>> -Springer >>>> >>>> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 5:36:56 PM UTC-5 Alvin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you to everybody that has replied. >>>>> >>>>> I have about five tiddlyspot files, and it's not clear to me if I can >>>>> use GitHub for all of them. >>>>> >>>>> I have a little experience with Dropbox, enough that I closed my >>>>> account less than a week after I created it. So I don't want to use >>>>> Dropbox. >>>>> >>>>> I have a domain or two, and I can create subdomains, so I'd like to do >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Again, my tiddlyspot files are ClassicTW, and I want to keep them >>>>> password protected. A step-by-step how to port them is what I'm looking >>>>> for. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure I'm not the only person looking for this. It's are real payne >>>>> in the arse not being able to update my Tiddlyspot files. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-6 springer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> TiddlySpot was absolutely the lowest bar-to-entry for >>>>>> instant-gratification create-edit-save-publish work in TiddlyWiki. Having >>>>>> something like it is essential to attracting new users with an interest >>>>>> in >>>>>> public-facing instant-edit projects. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alvin: For those like you who already know they love tiddlywiki and >>>>>> love the tiddlyspot convenience, I do recommend the GitHub saver. It's >>>>>> effectively the same workflow experience as TiddlySpot... at least it's >>>>>> comparable *AFTER* the arduous process (at least, it was arduous for me) >>>>>> of >>>>>> getting the repository set up and properly cleared for saving from the >>>>>> browser. Mohammad's walkthrough tutorial is very helpful (and it seems >>>>>> like >>>>>> the glitch around GitHub email verification, which hobbled my own >>>>>> experience, was idiosyncratic). >>>>>> >>>>>> -Springer >>>>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:57:31 AM UTC-5 Ste wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to edit my response, now I've actually read the thread >>>>>>> carefully, oops, I'm slightly off track in my reply...I'm just looking >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> individual hosting. I'd happily chuck some cash somebody's way for >>>>>>> continued tiddlyspot workingness. I'm guessing no one has heard >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> regarding the future of the site? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 10:48:32 UTC Ste wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm looking at this at the moment...I keep thinking..'Oh..I'll just >>>>>>>> edit this' on my wiki, then cry quietly as I remember that tiddlyspot >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> broken :( >>>>>>>> I was thinking node.js with bob to serve multiple wikis. >>>>>>>> So far Iv'e turned up https://www.mythic-beasts.com/ for about £70 >>>>>>>> a year...I think, or a combo of Domain reg from google, Hosting from >>>>>>>> https://www.cloudflare.com/ and serving from >>>>>>>> https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/ at $2.50 a month. I >>>>>>>> haven't committed to anything yet....Going to boot up my pi and check I >>>>>>>> manage to get it all running before I throw cash after it. The joys >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> command line..... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ste >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, 26 November 2020 at 21:59:07 UTC Mark S. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm thinking as far as an offer goes, you might have the most luck >>>>>>>>> posting at https://tiddlyspot.blogspot.com/ . With or without >>>>>>>>> chocolate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For setting up your own, you would need to find a web host, >>>>>>>>> preferably one that charges per space used rather than >>>>>>>>> un-metered-but-with-secret-restrictions. Then you would use store.php >>>>>>>>> (older) or tw-receiver to serve up your own tw host. There might be >>>>>>>>> additional complications if you wanted to protect your files via ssl. >>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>> I looked at hosts, it seemed that most of them wanted to sell one >>>>>>>>> rate for >>>>>>>>> 1 to 3 years, and then twice that rate afterwards. Most of them that >>>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>>> per storage space were more expensive. For a personal site, I might >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> depend on TW's own encryption rather than worrying about a site >>>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>>> hacked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Re hosting for everyone, all the public files listed in the >>>>>>>>> tiddlytoolmap seem to come to about a half gig. So if the total space >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> under one gig, then there's at least one website offering services at >>>>>>>>> $6/month plus probably $14/year for domain name registration. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The question of size keeps coming up. It's hard to estimate how >>>>>>>>> much a site would cost when the total size is unknown. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, this probably hasn't helped much, but should prompt other >>>>>>>>> conversations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:51:27 PM UTC-8 Alvin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Did my question fall through the cracks? I don't think it can get >>>>>>>>>> COVID-19, so there's no need to social distance. Would it help if I >>>>>>>>>> offered >>>>>>>>>> chocolate for an answer? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 12:24:15 PM UTC-6 Alvin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I offered to foot the bill for another hosting service for Simon >>>>>>>>>>> and Daniel to use to move the TiddlySpot domain, but all I've heard >>>>>>>>>>> so far >>>>>>>>>>> is crickets. So I would like to take my ClassicTW files that were on >>>>>>>>>>> TiddlySpot and put them online somewhere else. I would appreciate >>>>>>>>>>> it if >>>>>>>>>>> anyone can provide step by step instructions how to do that. I also >>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>> know how to keep them password protected. Thank you so much. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If someone wants to contact me (Alvin dot Orzechowski at sign >>>>>>>>>>> gmail dot com) about my offer, please do so directly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/zX-oDzi3d_8/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5253f25c-7a7e-4783-a175-0cd0ffcf9395n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5253f25c-7a7e-4783-a175-0cd0ffcf9395n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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