Jed, I don't want to take the idea too far, but if we were going to have a community-run TiddlySpot-like option available (OokTech) - I wonder if we could also cover / expand on what things like TiddlyTools used to be (and I assume still is for TWC) for the community? The "TiddlyWiki toolmap" in Dynalist from David, and the "scripts" area that Mohammad maintains are fantastic and I'm appreciative that someone puts all the effort into maintaining them. But, most other software has an unofficial plugin forum or something where all authors can post to, get feedback on, and users can vote - or we can see download count - or something else to rank / evaluate them for newer users that don't spend time every day combing through Google Groups like us addicts :) Loft goal, but could be a big step in the maturity of the platform to have something like this available, and this OokWiki could be the technology that could finally make that happen.
On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 6:14:20 AM UTC-5 Yann Moudet wrote: > Hello, > we use tiddlywiki + BOB as a knolewdge base for our team. > Our configuration: > - a linux server with node (LTS versions). > - oauth2-proxy: for authentication, Reverse-Proxy and SSL termination. > - an S3 bucket for storing wiki. (versioning enabled). > - TiddlyWiki plugins: Bob, Comments and CheckList. > I could provision a demo server with this configuration and/or lend a > server for 6 months as a first lease. For the second option, I would need a > public key and a wished configuration. > Yann > Le mercredi 23 décembre 2020 à 14:25:38 UTC+1, Stobot a écrit : > >> Jed, >> >> I'm very excited to hear that this continues to develop - thank you! I >> continue to believe that easy multi-user is a key pillar to growing >> TiddlyWiki usage and adoption overall. As a fan of TiddlyWiki I am happy to >> help anyway I can to support it's long-term health. To that end, I've been >> going to your https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-BobEXE/releases page about >> weekly hoping to see something new - now realizing that there were updates >> being posted elsewhere. >> >> As you reference learning about use-cases from Google Groups here, I'll >> share a bit about how I'm currently using BOB, and have been hoping to use >> it in the future. My most elaborate usage has been around project >> management. I run a project management team of about 40 project managers. >> Each project has multiple team members, and there are levels of approvals >> needed, as progress ties into people's bonus plans. We use a custom blend >> of Six Sigma, Lean and a couple of other methodologies to track our >> projects. So, I've setup a BOB on a spare laptop inside the corporate >> network and built out something for everyone to use / collaborate with. I >> have a business background, not a web / programmer background, so I >> struggled through inventing a login process that was relatively easy from >> my standpoint, but totally insecure. Essentially I gave them a url suffix >> to access the site which is referenced as their username. >> >> From a functionality standpoint, this works - most of the time. BOB does >> glitch a bit if you go into / out of edit-mode too fast (as an example, >> even in the info area where you enter your starting tiddlers, you have to >> type VERY slowly or it leaves out some of the characters). Running from a >> laptop to host works okay generally, except in my company they have all >> these forced updates that give a couple of hours notice, so that laptop >> needs to be rebooted fairly frequently, and does so automatically. Of >> course to the end-user, that means the "server is down" frequently which >> comes off as unprofessional and unstable. This is an area that OokWiki >> would help with. Additionally, I'm giving out a local address (10.xxx) >> which means that although most of my team can work remotely and >> off-network, they're having to login to VPN to access it, which is somewhat >> annoying to them. By contrast for instance, any of us that are using >> TiddlyWiki for personal use are hosting as .aspx on SharePoint (WebDAV I >> think) and able to work completely "off-network". That last distinction >> also means that they all have access to their personal wikis on their >> phones, but not BOB. This is another area I'm hoping OokWiki can help with. >> Actually now that I think of it, another hurdle is that we've recently >> adopted Microsoft Teams extensively, and you can add web tabs as long as >> they have https: prefixes - so again SharePoint ones can be added, but not >> 10.xxx addresses. I'm hoping OokWiki can help there too - I've tweaked my >> current theme to look very Microsoft-y to ease transition for my team. >> >> Anyways, those should help make clear some of the things I hope the >> evolution of BOB will help me solve someday. I will say that we used this >> system for a couple of months, but after a network issue caused us to not >> use the LAN for a couple of weeks, many transitioned back to previous >> methods of tracking, so we're currently not using it unfortunately. I've >> been hoping that BOB would make some more progress before I re-introduce it >> to the team. >> >> Aside from all of that, I've been thinking of various ways I could invest >> some of my time into helping the TiddlyWiki community. One was to see if >> adding some beginner-intermediate YouTube videos for how I use TiddlyWiki. >> I think the more the better in this area for user adoption. A second way to >> really highlight how game-changing BOB is was to start building Games for >> BOB - which is what I hope to do over the coming weeks / months! >> >> Games for BOB: My family (wife and 2 kids aged 13 and 10) are all stuck >> at home pretty much full time at this point. We play a good number of board >> / card games - which we enjoy. I tested the idea of building games in BOB >> and having them all login and they're loving it so far (wife mainly rolls >> her eyes). Using hidden tiddlers and just wiki-text you can get pretty far. >> My plan is to build out some really basic versions of these games and post >> them back here to give further (and fun) use cases for real-time multi-user >> platforms like BOB. My test case was a tic-tac-toe, but have plans for >> increasingly challenging games. I think most card games, and even things >> like checkers / chess should be not too bad. I have no intention of >> building a "computer" player as that would drastically make the code >> harder, but for in-house simple games, I think it'll be really fun - they >> can play from their tablets / phones - which they love :) >> >> Anyways Jed - your post was part announcement, part asking for help. I >> can help a bit financially, but don't know if I have the technical skill >> you need from that end. I will however continue to be a promoter of your >> efforts! Let me know how I can help. >> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:04:05 PM UTC-5 TW Tones wrote: >> >>> Jed, >>> >>> Thanks for your work, this is very exciting. I would be happy to help >>> with Windows configuration issues, but if the setup is only in Linux It may >>> be hard for me to work it out. Although I know how to do Bob node on widows >>> already, if I need only implement additional features. >>> >>> I continue to contribute by Patrion and hope others do so as well. Your >>> solutions fill a gap in TiddlyWiki when it comes to serious multi-user >>> wikis. This is a substantial feature release, thank you. >>> >>> I would be keen to implement it on my LAN and possibly through my Home >>> firewall if possible in time, I can use docker and other solutions by do >>> not know about digital ocean droplet, and I have cpanel apache services >>> online and possibly even nodeJS and would love to configure a server as >>> well. It would be great to be able to develop and have the results securely >>> online. I would fund an Australian host on top of my Hosting services if I >>> can set it up. >>> >>> It is sad you are not based in Sydney because I may be able to give you >>> a laptop computer for this. My condolences on the loss of your current one. >>> >>> Best wishes for the season. >>> Tones >>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 21:05:17 UTC+11 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> The short version: I have a potential replacement for tiddlyspot that >>>> could be distributed and self-hosted on something small like a digital >>>> ocean droplet. My computer died and help getting a new one would greatly >>>> speed up the development and release. >>>> I think that a community managed public server is a good idea, and it >>>> is designed so that you can create your own private server. >>>> >>>> The long version: >>>> I made a server that works with Bob and TiddlyWiki that adds a secure >>>> token-based login that is appropriate for having a web-facing server. I >>>> have been working on this periodically for a while, some of you may have >>>> seen it when I had Ooktech.xyz up. I have been working on it periodically >>>> for a long time and it is very close to ready for public release. >>>> >>>> The problem is that an adorable kitten decided that dancing on my >>>> multiprise was a good idea and after some impressive sparks the computer I >>>> do my development on is dead. The kitten is fine and acts adorably >>>> innocent. >>>> >>>> The server has all the features of Bob (multiple wikis, everything >>>> configured from within the wiki itself, support for multiple simultaneous >>>> users), as well as a secure login using JWT (json web tokens). Accounts >>>> have granular permissions which can be set, there many but here is a quick >>>> incomplete description of what you can do, in no real order. Server >>>> administrators can enable or disable almost all of these features if they >>>> are not useful for your purposes. >>>> >>>> - A simple script to run that sets everything up >>>> - Publicly viewable or private wikis >>>> - Allow specific people to view or edit a wiki >>>> - If an account owns a wiki they can set permissions on their own wikis >>>> - optional quotas for accounts both in terms of number of wikis and >>>> storage >>>> - A plugin library built into the server >>>> - Access controls for plugins as well (so plugins can be used to >>>> distribute content >>>> without making it public) >>>> - Simple 1-click download for wikis as a single-file without Bob >>>> - profiles/accounts and wikis can be set as private so on one can see >>>> them >>>> - Create an account on the server from a wiki >>>> - update passwords and other account information from inside a wiki >>>> - accounts can have some 'about me' information, if they want to set >>>> it >>>> - Set if an account can create wikis >>>> - namespaces wikis (if I create a wiki called MyWiki it would be >>>> inmysocks/MyWiki) so >>>> that there are no naming conflicts >>>> - change ownership of a wiki (give a wiki to someone else) >>>> - inter-wiki federation, like chat and sharing tiddlers between wikis >>>> >>>> There are many other details about administrator controls, but those >>>> are I think the highlights for using the server. Almost all of that is >>>> implemented, I am in the process of adding usable in-wiki interfaces for >>>> all of it. >>>> The setup script is only currently for linux and osx, I would need >>>> someone who is familiar with windows to make that if anyone wants it. >>>> Hosting online is generally linux so I am not sure how much it would be >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> My plan is to put up a demo site as soon as I can that has limited >>>> life-time accounts to show the features. You could create an account that >>>> lasts a day and after the account and wikis with it are removed. >>>> >>>> I am not interested in hosting and running this myself, it would be a >>>> community with community governance supported by donations. I do not know >>>> the demands that would be put on it, but I don't think that the hosting >>>> costs would be more than about $100/month. >>>> I would of course continue updating the server, but maintenance and >>>> operation must be a group effort so we don't get a situation like >>>> tiddlyspot where we rely on two people who may not be active members of >>>> the >>>> community and we have no way to shift ownership for continued operation. >>>> >>>> I don't know what interest there is in this, so I am going to gauge >>>> that from the response to this post. Also, help with getting a development >>>> computer would speed things up a lot. >>>> >>>> A link to the amazon wishilst for the computer components: >>>> https://www.amazon.fr/hz/wishlist/ls/2WM0S9VV3LJR1?ref_=wl_share >>>> >>>> ps: >>>> >>>> There are a lot of future features that I am working on, like the >>>> ability to search multiple wikis from one wiki, inter-server federation so >>>> you can have your own private server and interact with other servers, >>>> having a login on one server that lets you access wikis on other servers, >>>> things like that. >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/fd711c79-dc94-4c4c-ac2d-7164787ec55en%40googlegroups.com.
