The first, and really only, question about all of this is, what would be 
improved by adding a blockchain or NFTs?

And then, if somehow there is something to improve, is the improvement get 
us more than the cost in complexity and real-word resources required to 
build and maintain the chain?

This was the part that was never actually address in previous discussions, 
there were a lot of comments about how we would be improving tiddlywiki in 
some way, but there were no descriptions of how this would actually happen 
or what the improvements would be.

Of the examples on the list you linked to which ones are actually improved 
by the inclusion of a blockchain?

For security things a blockchain just gives a vector for behavioural 
analysis that is necessarily publicly viewable without any demonstrated 
benefit over other simpler systems that don't consume the resources needed 
to create and maintain a secure blockchain. Putting medical records in a 
block chain means that if someone manages to get access to my records they 
have permanent access. Why would I want there to be a permanent unalterable 
record of my health? In order for it to be useful other people have to have 
access to it and as has been demonstrated many many times even the best 
intentioned people are not good with security, and it being a permanent 
addition to the blockchain means that anyone who has access now doesn't 
just have to have good security practices now, they have to have good 
security practices forever or it affects me directly.

For all the manufacturing and industrial applications the propertied 
benefits aren't really there. A permanent unalterable record of supply 
chain movement is only useful if no one ever makes mistakes, because it is 
unalterable so you can't fix a mistake, and no one lies. I could say there 
are 10000 items in a shipment when there are actually only 9500 and as long 
as it got one step away from me I have 'proof' that I delivered what I 
claimed and whoever the person in the chain before the one who discovers 
the discrepancy is the one left with the blame.

Aside from git, which existed for decades before the term 'blockchain' 
became generally known, the only application I have seen that could be 
reasonably argued to be improved by adding a blockchain or NFTs are 
collectable toys where the NFT makes creating a false certificate of 
authenticity more difficult.
But then without some other form of proof there isn't any way to actually 
know that the person who created the original NFT is acting in good faith, 
the entire system is based on there not being any bad actors in the entire 
system. The 'trustless' part comes after a step that requires blind trust.


On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 7:32:48 AM UTC+2 Mat wrote:

> Indeed as some of you note, I just posted this as food for thought.
>
> BTW, here's some decent list 
> <https://www.bernardmarr.com/default.asp?contentID=1302> I found with 
> examles of uses of blockchain tech.
>
> Please note that this thread is not a discussion about the validity of 
> Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies. That is a totally different discussion.
>
> <:-)
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 5:06:00 AM UTC+2 Javier Rojas wrote:
>
>> On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 03:41:58AM -0700, Mat wrote:
>> > Some years ago I posted 
>> > <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/sh3Sz1DVOVs/m/RZn-EBv9CgAJ> 
>> the 
>> > idea about TW on blockchain (i.e the tech upon which e.g Bitcoin is 
>> based). 
>> > It was not met with any enthusiasm but I wonder if the sentiment is 
>> still 
>> > the same.
>>
>> so, what has changed regarding bitcon (not a typo) and the blockchain in
>> general?
>>
>> I mean, for the better. Nothing, from what I see. If anything, nowadays
>> is even more clear to everybody that it is nothing but a really toxic
>> ponzi scheme.
>>
>> -- 
>> Javier
>>
>

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