Based on my own experience of trying to engage non-technical users -i.e. 
those on whom the power & flexibility of TW is not only lost; it is 
actually experienced as frictional- i must say: this issue goes so deep, i 
don't know how we might solve it, if indeed we can. 

More specifically: two issues i've noted as so frustrating to such 
"pedestrian" users, they give up before even trying to understand are:

   1. Native navigation features in the browser are essentially broken by 
   TW, in that i can't use forward and back arrows to move off the page and 
   come back to the place where i left off; and
   2. To whatever extent i do any editing of a TW instance that i then want 
   to save, i wind up with the totally unexpected result of a new multi-mb 
   file on my desktop, and no change in the online instance i thought i was 
   updating.

If there be any good way of overcoming these obstacles -beyond simply 
instructing the user in context to forget about both (1) their browser's 
navigation controls and (2) making changes to the online instance- i've yet 
to see any example of it.  If in fact any such prior art exists, it would 
be great if someone could share it here!

/walt


On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 11:45:06 AM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> TW Tones wrote:
>
>> ... I do think a primary use of tiddlywiki is for private bespoke "free 
>> wikis" and unpublished tiddlywiki's which evolve to a users needs, thus 
>> perhaps they never mature to a finished product. That is there may be many 
>> more times the number of "free" wikis than those suitable to be published.
>>
>
> I guess that is right! Actually, further than that, it is indicatively 
> good of serious usage by folk who can feel good wetting their whistles  on 
> code and relish perennial openness, revision and evolutions. All to the 
> good.
>
> Yet, I was kinda suggesting there is, I think, likely a large range of 
> audience types, somewhat different, who thrive best on complete apps. 
> Who they are and how many there I don't think we know at the moment.
>
> I think it is an interesting issue. In brief, my question kinda edges 
> towards: What happens, making apps that only document a de-limited range 
> functions to better MATCH common (delimited) need spaces tightly?
>
> That is why I flagged the thread "Avenues." It kinda captures that idea.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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