Yakov,
Thanks for the quick reply. What you found with the list items was possibly
fixed in the version 1.6.1 just uploaded. I tried locally your example
tiddler below with the latest FF 20.0.1 and Opera 12.15 over Win7 x64 and
Win XP. It seemed the list item issues you mentioned here are gone. Please
try again and let me know if there are more to fix. Thanks again.
Some of the issues, however, I never had before and now (see below). Maybe
conflicting with some addons?
On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:54:15 AM UTC+8, Yakov wrote:
>
> Hi Vincent,
>
> воскресенье, 14 апреля 2013 г., 14:11:02 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh
> написал:
>>
>> TWtid v1.6.0 + TWted v1.6.0 + TWtcalc v0.8.0
>>
>> There were quite some bug fixes and much improved transclusion support.
>> Edits plain text in addition to block elements. Removed manual mode and
>> flying C buttons, etc.
>>
>> Indeed, backstage is back again and DefaultTiddlers are displayed. One
> small detail: second-level list items are displayed as
>
> * item text
>
> instead of
>
> ** item text
>
>
I didn't have this issue, though. Not sure what was wrong.
> (in Opera) In FireFox I have this strange positioning issue like Arc does.
>
I got the correct position both on- and off-line. Did you have the
positioning issue with local files?
>
> Great news that plain text is being conquered. But the situation of
> bugs/behaviour is complicated, so let me continue my post in a "follow-me"
> form.
>
>
> First, I create a tiddler "New Tiddler" with the following 5 lines of
> content (in a TW with vanilla theme -- PageTemplate etc, only some
> additional CSS):
>
> Beginning
> * [[TWtid.min]] -- "wikitext manipulator"
> * [[TWted.min]] -- "editor"
> ----
> Some more text
>
> As I click on the first list item, I get an edit area and a preview of the
> second one. If I edit it (say, change to "* [[TWted.min]] -- "editor"+")
> and press ctrl+enter, I get the first list item visually substituted with
> the wikified new text which was thought to be from the second item; but if
> I click "edit" and view the tiddler's text, it becomes clear that actually
> the second item was changed, and that's a problem of representation.
>
> Next, let's remove the added "+", the text is back to initial.
>
> Now I click one of the two list items again and start pressing the "down"
> key. The editor acts as if there were *three* list items: two copies of the
> second one and the first one; and the edit area and the preview for the
> first one are displayed on the left, under the "no tags" box; moreover, the
> preview area is grey as is the "no tags" box is.
>
> Next step is trying to click the first line ("Beginning"). Instead of
> opening the first line, the editor opens actually the two first lines.
> That's not a bug, but an unexpected behavior.
>
>
Do you mean you see the editbox containing both
"Beginning"
and
"* [[TWtid.min]] -- "wikitext manipulator"?
I didn't notice this behavior and don't see it in 1.6.1, hopefully fixed
somehow?
> Than, let's try to click the last two lines. The editor opens the whole
> text (the previewer behaves accordingly), but the height of the editor area
> is only two lines.
>
As above.
>
> Finally, when I move the cursor so that the whole text is enclosed in the
> border and then click it, I get an editor area of 5 lines height which fits
> the whole text, and I can edit the whole text.
>
> This was intended. I thought it should be good if the tiddler was
transcluded. In most cases the border is for showing "which part to edit".
In others with "sub elements", such as sub lists, there is a new option
chkTWtedIncludeSubs in 1.6.1 to tell the plugin whether to include the sub
elements or not.
>
> Now let me extend the tiddler. I add the sixth line:
>
> * one more list item
>
> and here more weird things can be found.
>
> The behaviour is changed for two lines: 5th and 6th.
>
> Clicking line 5 (or line 4 which is the same in terms of displayed borders
> or plain text pieces) shows now *empty* edit and preview areas.
>
Hopefully fixed in 1.6.1.
>
> For line 6, there's two details which makes its behaviour unusual. First,
> edit area doesn't contain "*" and preview area shows just text instead of a
> list item. Second, when the cursor in the edit area is one the left
> position (beginning of the text), preview looks normal; but if the cursor
> is in any other position, the text in the preview becomes aligned to the
> right.
>
> This seems related to the beginning "second level item" issue. But I never
had this issue and the plugins do not remove any character from the text to
edit, so not sure what was wrong yet.
>
> Regarding transclusions.. I'll skip testing in my local TW since the
> behaviour is already very complicated. In the online version [1] in both
> Opera and FireFox I can't edit (clicking doesn't open the editor). Not sure
> what cookie should be set but it seems that all of them are set to what
> they are should be..
>
> May be try it off-line? The plugins disable editing features when a
tiddler is marked "readOnly" by TiddlyWiki. I guess this is why you can't
edit on-line.
>
> In conclusion, this version looks much better, but there's still much to
> fix/work on.
>
> Thanks for the helping feedback! Please try 1.6.1 and see if the list item
issues are really fixed.
> Best regards,
> Yakov.
>
> [1] http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#[[Transclusion%20support]]
>
Have Fun!
Vincent
>
>
>> See release note at
>> http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BRelease%20Note%20v1.6.0%2B0.8.0%5D%5D
>> for
>> details.
>>
>> Please try the transclusion support and help find bugs or give
>> suggestions. Thanks.
>>
>> Have Fun!
>>
>> Vincent
>>
>> On Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:21:03 PM UTC+8, Vincent Yeh wrote:
>>>
>>> Interested in editing your tiddler in the view mode in TiddlyWiki? Try
>>> this view mode editor plugin TWted (requires TWtid).
>>>
>>> Interested in a calculator that supports (partially for now) Excel
>>> syntax in Tiddlywiki? Try the simple calculator plugin TWtcalc (requires
>>> TWtid).
>>>
>>> These plugins are under active development. You are very welcome to give
>>> comments/suggestions/bug reports. :-)
>>>
>>> The first versions of these plugins were TableEditor and
>>> TableCalculator, released in 2012/06/24, that only supported table editing
>>> in the view mode. Later they were extended constantly and then evolved into
>>> TWtable, TWted and TWtcalc (released 2012/10/19), still only supported
>>> table editing. Recently they were further extended to support view mode
>>> editing on most of the block elements (see below) in a tiddler, much more
>>> than just a table editor, so I decided to start a new thread for these
>>> plugins. You can find their earlier history in the old thread "Inline
>>> Editing of Tables" started by pepebe.
>>>
>>>
>>> - TWtid v1.5.0 -- The basis of the view mode tiddler editor TWted and
>>> simple calculator TWtcalc, including a table renderer.
>>> - Generalized the codes from TWtable 1.4.6, which works for
>>> tables only, to support most kinds of block elements, see
>>> descriptions for
>>> TWted below.
>>> - The included *table renderer* supports
>>> - scrolling for large tables,
>>> - multi-lined cell content (you can have a list in a table
>>> cell),
>>> - synchronization among all copies (transcluded and
>>> non-transcluded).
>>> - See TWtid for more details.
>>> - TWted v1.5.0 -- The view mode tiddler editor.
>>> - Edit block elements either in view mode (default) or in edit
>>> mode (option description "Active in view mode")
>>> - If in view mode, the default edit box remains the same;
>>> - if in edit mode, the view mode remains for viewing only.
>>> - The system default edit box can be brought up by double
>>> clicking in a no-element area (note that some elements are much
>>> wider than
>>> their content).
>>> - Works on most of the block elements:
>>> - *Tables* --
>>> - easy access to cell content for editing purposes
>>> - insertion/deletion of rows/columns
>>> - copy/cut/paste the cells/rows/columns
>>> - *Lists* -- both kinds, * and # (corresponding to <UL> and <OL>),
>>> as many levels as TiddlyWiki supports;
>>> - *Headers* -- ! ~ !!!!!!, corresponding to H1 ~ H6;
>>> - *Blockquotes* -- three levels supported: >, >> and >>>;
>>> - *Blockexamples* -- lines of text enclosed by two <<<;
>>> - *Preformatted blocks* -- lines of text enclosed by two
>>> triple-braces.
>>> - A simple previewer to see the output as you are typing.
>>> - Option txtTWtedPreviewOpacity to change opacity of the
>>> previewer. Default to 0.9.
>>> - Option txtTWtedPreviewCaret to specify the caret symbol in
>>> the previewer. Default to the vertical line (|).
>>> - Edit tiddler title.
>>> - Two options offering three levels of automation in the editing
>>> behavior:
>>> - Two options:
>>> - chkTWtedCatTheMouse -- Activate/Deactivate edit mode with
>>> mouse motion.
>>> - chkTWtedNoClick -- Edit the cell content without clicking
>>> it.
>>> - Three levels of automation:
>>> - Manual: set both options to false. Click the 'E' button
>>> to start/stop editing the closest block element.
>>> - Half automated: set the 1st option to true and 2nd to
>>> false. In this level a table enters edit mode automatically
>>> when mouse is
>>> hovering over it while other block elements remain manual. 'E'
>>> button is
>>> hidden, need to lick within the block element (or the table
>>> cell) to edit.
>>> - Automated: set both options to true. Move the mouse over
>>> a block element or a table cell to edit. (Warning: this can be
>>> annoying in
>>> some cases!)
>>> - Keyboard navigation within the same type of elements.
>>> - Works with headers, list items, blockquotes and preformats.
>>> - Move list items, only list items for now, with Ctrl-up/down
>>> keys. This, however, only works within the same level at this
>>> moment,
>>> moving items across different levels will be supported in the
>>> future
>>> release.
>>> - Tables are synchronized between transcluded and non-transcluded
>>> copies, other block elements are not yet.
>>> - See TWted for more details.
>>> - TWtcalc v0.7.7 -- A simple calculator for TiddlyWiki.
>>> - Calculates over table cells. For example, if one puts =A1+A2 in
>>> the table cell A3, the content of A3 will be the sum of the
>>> numerical values in table cells A1 and A2.
>>> - Supports syntax similar to OpenOffice calc or Microsoft Excel.
>>> - Automatically adjusts cell reference upon copy-and-pasting.
>>> - Supports user defined functions written in Javascript. See
>>> TWtcalc--Defining
>>> your own functions for details.
>>> - See TWtcalc for a list of predefined functions and further
>>> details.
>>>
>>>
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