Hi Vincent,
Some initial testing with Win7 64-bit, FF v20.01, TW v2.71, TWtid/
TWted v1.60, TWtcalc v0.80
1) Cannot reach the backstage (backstage button not available) with
all 3 plugins "activated" (systemConfug tag)
Without the 3 plugins "active" the backstage button is there.
With only TWtid active the backstage button disappears
2) Example "Transclusion support" gives an error in all the
transclusion cases:
Error in macro <<tiddler>>
Error in macro <<slider>>
Error in macro <<tabs>>
Clicking on the error shows:
Error while executing macro <<tiddler>>:
TypeError: b.tiddler is null
After removing the systemConfig tag of all 3 plugins the "Transclusion
support" tiddler does not show errors anymore and works as expected:
everything is transcluded.
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Upgraded to TWtid/TWted v1.61
1) Disappearing backstage button remains.
2) No errors anymore in "Transclusion support" example.
I had a quick look at both examples. Most things seem to work.
I did notice the strange behavior with the example of Yakov:
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* [[TWtid.min]] -- "wikitext manipulator"
* [[TWted.min]] -- "editor"
----
Some more text
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I will test further and report.
Cheers,
Ton
On Apr 15, 2:55 pm, Yakov <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Vincent,
>
> tested with all other plugins set off and then the same with versions
> 1.6.1: the behaviour is almost the same
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> понедельник, 15 апреля 2013 г., 6:10:02 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh
> написал:
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> > Yakov,
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> > Thanks for the quick reply. What you found with the list items was
> > possibly fixed in the version 1.6.1 just uploaded. I tried locally your
> > example tiddler below with the latest FF 20.0.1 and Opera 12.15 over Win7
> > x64 and Win XP. It seemed the list item issues you mentioned here are gone.
> > Please try again and let me know if there are more to fix. Thanks again.
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> > Some of the issues, however, I never had before and now (see below). Maybe
> > conflicting with some addons?
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> > On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:54:15 AM UTC+8, Yakov wrote:
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> >> Hi Vincent,
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> >> воскресенье, 14 апреля 2013 г., 14:11:02 UTC+4 пользователь Vincent Yeh
> >> написал:
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> >>> TWtid v1.6.0 + TWted v1.6.0 + TWtcalc v0.8.0
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> >>> There were quite some bug fixes and much improved transclusion support.
> >>> Edits plain text in addition to block elements. Removed manual mode and
> >>> flying C buttons, etc.
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> >>> Indeed, backstage is back again and DefaultTiddlers are displayed. One
> >> small detail: second-level list items are displayed as
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> >> * item text
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> >> ** item text
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> > I didn't have this issue, though. Not sure what was wrong.
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> This one seems to be gone, or may be I even have mistaken because of the
> "wrong selection of a list item to edit" issue. Two "*" appear where they
> should be.
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> > (in Opera) In FireFox I have this strange positioning issue like Arc does.
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> > I got the correct position both on- and off-line. Did you have the
> > positioning issue with local files?
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> I meant a local file, couldn't get any editor box online.
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> >> Great news that plain text is being conquered. But the situation of
> >> bugs/behaviour is complicated, so let me continue my post in a "follow-me"
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> >> First, I create a tiddler "New Tiddler" with the following 5 lines of
> >> content (in a TW with vanilla theme -- PageTemplate etc, only some
> >> additional CSS):
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> >> Beginning
> >> * [[TWtid.min]] -- "wikitext manipulator"
> >> * [[TWted.min]] -- "editor"
> >> ----
> >> Some more text
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> >> As I click on the first list item, I get an edit area and a preview of
> >> the second one. If I edit it (say, change to "* [[TWted.min]] --
> >> "editor"+") and press ctrl+enter, I get the first list item visually
> >> substituted with the wikified new text which was thought to be from the
> >> second item; but if I click "edit" and view the tiddler's text, it becomes
> >> clear that actually the second item was changed, and that's a problem of
> >> representation.
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> >> Next, let's remove the added "+", the text is back to initial.
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> >> Now I click one of the two list items again and start pressing the "down"
> >> key. The editor acts as if there were *three* list items: two copies of the
> >> second one and the first one; and the edit area and the preview for the
> >> first one are displayed on the left, under the "no tags" box; moreover, the
> >> preview area is grey as is the "no tags" box is.
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> >> Next step is trying to click the first line ("Beginning"). Instead of
> >> opening the first line, the editor opens actually the two first lines.
> >> That's not a bug, but an unexpected behavior.
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> > Do you mean you see the editbox containing both
> > "Beginning"
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> > "* [[TWtid.min]] -- "wikitext manipulator"?
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> > Yes, right.
> > I didn't notice this behavior and don't see it in 1.6.1, hopefully fixed
> > somehow?
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> > This and all the issues below still present.. My assembly is TW 2.6.5 +
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> Opera 12.15, win7 x64. (ok, retested in TW 2.6.6 as well, should I go 2.7.1
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> >> Than, let's try to click the last two lines. The editor opens the whole
> >> text (the previewer behaves accordingly), but the height of the editor area
> >> is only two lines.
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> > As above.
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> >> Finally, when I move the cursor so that the whole text is enclosed in the
> >> border and then click it, I get an editor area of 5 lines height which fits
> >> the whole text, and I can edit the whole text.
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> >> This was intended. I thought it should be good if the tiddler was
> > transcluded. In most cases the border is for showing "which part to edit".
> > In others with "sub elements", such as sub lists, there is a new option
> > chkTWtedIncludeSubs in 1.6.1 to tell the plugin whether to include the sub
> > elements or not.
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> Yeah, sure, that's a good behaviour (actually by itself, even without
> transclusions), I just described what I see in different situations, that
> wasn't a "bug report".
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> >> Now let me extend the tiddler. I add the sixth line:
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> >> * one more list item
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> >> and here more weird things can be found.
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> >> The behaviour is changed for two lines: 5th and 6th.
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> >> Clicking line 5 (or line 4 which is the same in terms of displayed
> >> borders or plain text pieces) shows now *empty* edit and preview areas.
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> > Hopefully fixed in 1.6.1.
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> >> For line 6, there's two details which makes its behaviour unusual. First,
> >> edit area doesn't contain "*" and preview area shows just text instead of a
> >> list item. Second, when the cursor in the edit area is one the left
> >> position (beginning of the text), preview looks normal; but if the cursor
> >> is in any other position, the text in the preview becomes aligned to the
> >> right.
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> >> This seems related to the beginning "second level item" issue. But I
> > never had this issue and the plugins do not remove any character from the
> > text to edit, so not sure what was wrong yet.
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> >> Regarding transclusions.. I'll skip testing in my local TW since the
> >> behaviour is already very complicated. In the online version [1] in both
> >> Opera and FireFox I can't edit (clicking doesn't open the editor). Not sure
> >> what cookie should be set but it seems that all of them are set to what
> >> they are should be..
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> >> May be try it off-line? The plugins disable editing features when a
> > tiddler is marked "readOnly" by TiddlyWiki. I guess this is why you can't
> > edit on-line.
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> Ok, grabbed the tiddlers from [1] to an offline TW 2.6.6. First, the
> behaviour of the transclusion macros (tiddler and tabs) when the included
> tiddler is missing has changed: instead of displaying blank space they
> appear red with the following error message:
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> Error while executing macro <<tiddler>>:
> TypeError: Cannot convert 'b.tiddler' to object
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> When included tiddlers are present,
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> tabs macro:
> wow! not only works, but works just fine with those lists etc. In all the
> tests I previously done in the "New Tiddler", editing within tabs works as
> expected. The only thing I noticed is this: when I write one-line text, say
> between lists:
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> ...
> * list item
> some text
> * one more item
> ...
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> I can't add an extra line in the text. When text is multi-line, enter adds
> linebreak, and ctrl+enter causes to exit editor with saving; when text is
> one line, enter causes editor-exiting and ctrl+enter doesn't do anything.
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> slider macro:
> slider's (meta)behaviour is the best: when it's closed, I can edit the
> macro, when it's opened, I can edit the content. But it has some
> editor+preview positioning issues. For instance, change "Test 1"'s text to
> the following:
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> some wonderful things!
> * one
> * two
> more
> * and
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> and then try to click the first line in the opened slider (for me, it
> appeared near the bottom of the whole tiddler).
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> tiddler macro:
> editor shows "<<tiddler 'Test 1'>>" instead of transcluded content.. at
> least when transcluded content is one-line. I haven't tested deeply, but
> when the content is changed to 5 lines (" some wonderful things! ..."), I
> can partially edit the content, but the behaviour has once again many
> issues.
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> >> In conclusion, this version looks much better, but there's still much to
> >> fix/work on.
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> >> Thanks for the helping feedback! Please try 1.6.1 and see if the list
> > item issues are really fixed.
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> Could you please update the slices listed below in all the plugins? They're
> a bit confusing for me and should be more confusing for those who haven't
> much experience with TWted/TWtid:
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> * *Description*
> ** **Needs to have* *
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> ** *if necessary, *Core Version* (by the way, I suspect that the "2.6.5."
> value can be wrongly interpreted by some engines; usually it is "2.6.5" *
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> >> Best regards,
> >> Yakov.
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> >> [1]http://twtable.tiddlyspace.com/#[[Transclusion%20support]]
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