On Monday, September 2, 2013 8:20:14 PM UTC+2, Arc Acorn wrote: > > Though I do wonder given how different TW5 is from TWc if really it > wouldn't be better to rename it. (It is after all still early on in > it's development and many programs start out with code names and than move > on to their real names when they leave the early stages and start coming > into their own.) >
That's what I suggested, just the other way around. What we all know and love, was released in 2004 and the first version, didn't have the look an feel tiddlywiki.com has now. I think there is no problem in calling it TiddlyWiki-classic / TWc. It won't hurt anybody, since the functionality is the same :) > <snip> ... though at the same time I find myself wondering why something > that is really not an upgrade nor replacement to it's predecessor is > carrying on it's name. > ... hard words, that imo are not true. * The basic concept of TW is, that it is a self contained wiki. * The smallest unit in this wiki are tiddlers. * The big strength of TW is transclusions. ... All those points and several more, are still true for TW5. Just TWc has some major shortcommings. * Search engines can't handle its output. * Design decisions (in code and CSS) made in 2004, just don't fit the modern web anymore. * Since version 2.6.6 we are only dealing with problems caused by increaded browser security restrictions. ... TW5 fixes those problems (I just pointed out 3 of them to keep the answer short ;). With tw5 you are able to create a static representation of your TW [1]. At the moment it uses the same CSS as the TW5 app but it is possible to change that. Search engines will be happy with this type of content. You can put the static representation on a stick and you have a "read only" version ... TW5 is HTML5 ready. We will be able to use all the new stuff, that is coming up in new browsers ... TW5 by design let's us handle single tiddlers as single files. I know a ton of topics here in the group that complain about the limits TWc has. Just from the people I know in the real world who don't track this group > but use TWc due to me giving them copies, when I first bring up TW5 I'm > often meet with a lot of excitement because they think "TidilyWiki" the > program they knew and love is getting a major update, and than as they > learn more about and get a chance to use it they get rather depressed since > for many of them the foreseeable TW5 won't be able to replace TWc for a > long time, if ever. > I'm pretty sure TW5 can replace many TW2 installations out of the box. Just it doesn't need that many 3rd party plugins, because the core is able to handle much more requirements. TW5 looks different, that's true. We are not used to the new design, but the possibilities to tweak it will be much more userfriendly, than it was with TWc. There will be no need to mess around with *Templates to adjust theme settings. [2] What's missing in the alpha is more "user ready" documentation. But imo everyone is free to give feedback, so shortcommings can be fixed. Without feedback -> no improvement ;) have fun! [1] http://five.tiddlywiki.com/static/HelloThere [2] Open tab: More: Shadows: $ControlPanel and edit the text fields ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
