Hi,

For a short term solution, I agree with Jeremy about a welcome message to 
the TW groups asking people to flag their subject lines TWc or TW5, due to 
the not so big traffic in this group.

For a long term solution, I would rather have a central place for TWc and 
TW5 open to contributions from TW users and containing :
* A presentation of TWc and TW5,
* A download area,
* Documentation about TWs,
* A forum, a FAQ, tutorials,
* A plugin and theme repository with their documentation,
* A presentation and links to TW universe (TiddlyWeb, TiddlySpot, Tiddly 
GTD ...).

About TWc / TW5
I think that TWc will still survive for quite a long time because:
* Of all the already existing plugins,
* Of all the customization (plugins, themes/css, transclusions, ...) made 
by each user on its TW.
* Of the impossibility to simply and quickly import this plugins and 
customizations inside a TW5.

On the other side, TW5 seems to have more potential, especially for 
developing / integrating new functionalities. And I think, exiting and new 
users will use it:
* If he can add useful functionalities (this implies developing plugins but 
also making them easy to find and use),
* If he can easily tweak its TW5. For me, when I dscovered TWc, I decided 
to use it against other solutions because it was a single thml page, you 
could use anywhere (including PC with limited accounts) and offering 
powerful tools and quite easy tweaking mechanisms.

I'd like to find this power and simplicity again in TW5.
For instance it took me 10-20 mn in TWc to understand plugin mechanism, 
make a first hello-world plugin and hack my first plugin without using 
anything else than my TWc and my browser. To do a simple helloWorld plugin 
in TW5, the recommended way*, you should:
1) download a node.js binaries version (can't use the installer version on 
a work computer),
2) discover how to make a plugin and build a TW including it with node.js,
3) find and download a git portable version to use the building .sh script 
(windows 7 computer ),
4) searching on internet how to properly configure node.js and git portable 
in this portable configuration => writing the corresponding .bat files.
5) Finally having your plugin in your TW!
While this may be easy for (javascript) developers it may not be so easy 
for common users.

However I have no doubt that Jeremy will find solutions to allow easy 
tweaking of TW5 for common users and that he just need time (I can't 
imagine how many hours he has already spent on TW5 and will spend  to make 
a beta and the next versions) and some feedback to do so (it's always 
difficult and time consumming to make simple functions).

Thank you for those reading up to this point.

Eskha


Le mardi 3 septembre 2013 22:38:06 UTC+2, Arc Acorn a écrit :
>
>
> 2) We plan a migration away from Google Groups:
>> a) TiddlyWikiDev could migrate to StackOverflow; several other open 
>> source projects use it in that way
>> b) The main TiddlyWiki group could migrate to a homegrown 
>> TiddlyWeb+TiddlyWiki5 host
>>
>>
>  I would like to vote for a move to a normal forum or BBS system.
> The more I think about it the more sense it makes for a project like TWC/5 
> to be on a real forum.
>
> #1 You can easily segregated Classic and Five 
> #2 We would *finally *have a central place to share things like themes, 
> plugins, scripts...etc that any one could add to.
> #3 We can Pin topics in different threads, we get a ton of repeat support 
> questions here that could be fixed very easily in a forum.
> #4 If cost or ease of sign-up is the real issue we don't their are free-ad 
> support BBSs out there and many of them any nearly everyone of the self 
> hosted ones support Google, Facebook, Twitter, (Other open sign in 
> accounts) to be used. 
> #5 It would be quick and easy to setup compared to any of the other 
> options and is really a standard for projects/communities of this type.
> #6 All the current Goolge groups could be merged into a single forum under 
> Dev, Community, Variants like GTD..etc everything in one place!
>
>

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