In addition to Richard Smith's comments, I think it's worth noting that (in my estimation) TW5 is being build from the inside out -- technical architecture first, then getting the fiddly inside bits right, then the nice friendly bits will come on after. So I think it's okay for it to be "unfriendly" now, where it expects you to twist some metaphorical wires together to switch things on and off.
My expectation is that in the near future, the (equally metaphorical) nice carbon fibre panels and the dashboard with switches and dials gets added, and there will be a much more pleasant "Initial Experience". If anything, the thing that's trickiest is that tiddlywiki.com goes to tw5 and not the prior tw version. ;Daniel On 6 August 2014 11:33, Elizabeth Blythe <[email protected]> wrote: > I just want to say thank you for all of the help. > > I also want to express that, while I honor the work that went into this - > gosh, thank you for creating a project flexible, for free, for anyone > walking along with an internet connection - I'm disappointed with some of > the design choices in TW5. > > The thing I loved about TiddlyWiki to start off with was that it was in > plain English, you didn't need to know how the wiki worked to tailor pretty > much every aspect of it, you needed very little information about its > structure (there were enough crumbs within the wiki itself to figure out or > find anything you didn't know) within past TiddlyWikis that they had a lot > of utility for non-tech people. I've been chipping away at TW5 for about > four days now and have barely figured out how tags work. The documentation > I'm reading doesn't really seem to help me figure out what I want to know, > the TiddlyWiki itself reads like Greek, and I'm seriously worried that I > will be unable to use TW5 for the project I had in mind. > > TW5 seems to have moved away from being a layman's highly configurable and > transportable notebook - now, I need to find and use special characters, > figure out where those things are and how they work, and actually get a > help websites and group support to tell me how to do things... on the past > TiddlyWikis that I used, I was up and running with really complex work in > maybe thirty minutes at the outside, and I never had to join a community to > get help. It let me focus on what I was using the wiki for, not have to > learn how to use the wiki. > > Maybe I'm too impatient or something, I don't know, but I think > TiddlyWiki5 went way right field of what made it appealing to the average > Joe in the first place. It's a shame that IE, Firefox and Chrome these days > seem to hate my older version of TiddlyWiki, so I can't use that either. > > Please understand that I don't mean any of the above to be intentionally > nasty or over-critical; I just wanted to raise the point constructively for > consideration. Like I said, I deeply appreciate the work that's gone into > this, and that I even had the option of using TiddlyWiki. > > Thank you, > - Elizabeth > > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:14:12 PM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote: > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> Have a look at [1] >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> [1] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/ >> >> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:38:29 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>> >>> Hi Elizabeth >>> >>> There's a list of system tags here: >>> >>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#SystemTags >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Elizabeth Blythe <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you, Richard! >>>> >>>> Is there a comprehensive list of system tags and what they do somewhere? >>>> >>>> Once again, thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:47:58 PM UTC+10, Richard Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> You can add a tab to the sidebar by making a new Tiddler, eg; "Table >>>>> of Contents" and giving it the tag $:/tags/SideBar. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:13:37 AM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> >>>>>> I used to use an older version of TiddlyWiki, so I'm used to being >>>>>> able to define what goes into the navigation links (which are now on the >>>>>> right). I can't imagine this functionality has been removed... but I >>>>>> can't >>>>>> seem to find any HowTos on the website that tell me how to do this in the >>>>>> newest version of TiddlyWiki (or even TiddlyWiki Classic). It is most >>>>>> likely a language barrier because there's a lot of jaron and content to >>>>>> search through... anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've spent last night and tonight trying to figure out how to modify >>>>>> the navigation topics to insert the header, then sub navigation points I >>>>>> want. How do I do that? Is it no longer contained in a special system >>>>>> tiddler? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the help! >>>>>> >>>>>> - Elizabeth >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeremy Ruston >>> mailto:[email protected] >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Daniel Baird objoke: I had a problem and decided to solve it with threading. 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