Thanks Daniel & Richard,

I haven't seen the TiddlyQuickly site, so I'll have a read. If I can figure 
this out before I get too frustrated, I may even write my own tutorial 
(unless it's reinventing the wheel, since it looks like there's a few 
people collaborating on this).

Amongst my many past times, I'm an online game designer, and I'm using the 
wiki to design a story-based non-linear game. An example is something like 
this: http://cinders.wikia.com/wiki/Cinders_Wiki <-- mind, that's the 
underlying structure, not the front end.

What I need to do is change up the navigation, then add dialogue and plot 
archs that link to one another, etc. It shouldn't be that hard with base 
TiddlyWiki functionality. I have an older version of TW (not sure which it 
is) that I keep getting errors on upon opening.

Thanks again for the help; I'll check out those sites.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:35:32 PM UTC+10, Daniel Baird wrote:
>
>
>
> In addition to Richard Smith's comments, I think it's worth noting that 
> (in my estimation) TW5 is being build from the inside out -- technical 
> architecture first, then getting the fiddly inside bits right, then the 
> nice friendly bits will come on after.  So I think it's okay for it to be 
> "unfriendly" now, where it expects you to twist some metaphorical wires 
> together to switch things on and off.
>
> My expectation is that in the near future, the (equally metaphorical) nice 
> carbon fibre panels and the dashboard with switches and dials gets added, 
> and there will be a much more pleasant "Initial Experience".
>
> If anything, the thing that's trickiest is that tiddlywiki.com goes to 
> tw5 and not the prior tw version.
>
> ;Daniel
>
>
>
>
> On 6 August 2014 11:33, Elizabeth Blythe <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> I just want to say thank you for all of the help.
>>  
>> I also want to express that, while I honor the work that went into this - 
>> gosh, thank you for creating a project flexible, for free, for anyone 
>> walking along with an internet connection - I'm disappointed with some of 
>> the design choices in TW5. 
>>  
>> The thing I loved about TiddlyWiki to start off with was that it was in 
>> plain English, you didn't need to know how the wiki worked to tailor pretty 
>> much every aspect of it, you needed very little information about its 
>> structure (there were enough crumbs within the wiki itself to figure out or 
>> find anything you didn't know) within past TiddlyWikis that they had a lot 
>> of utility for non-tech people. I've been chipping away at TW5 for about 
>> four days now and have barely figured out how tags work. The documentation 
>> I'm reading doesn't really seem to help me figure out what I want to know, 
>> the TiddlyWiki itself reads like Greek, and I'm seriously worried that I 
>> will be unable to use TW5 for the project I had in mind.
>>  
>> TW5 seems to have moved away from being a layman's highly configurable 
>> and transportable notebook - now, I need to find and use special 
>> characters, figure out where those things are and how they work, and 
>> actually get a help websites and group support to tell me how to do 
>> things... on the past TiddlyWikis that I used, I was up and running with 
>> really complex work in maybe thirty minutes at the outside, and I never had 
>> to join a community to get help. It let me focus on what I was using the 
>> wiki for, not have to learn how to use the wiki. 
>>  
>> Maybe I'm too impatient or something, I don't know, but I think 
>> TiddlyWiki5 went way right field of what made it appealing to the average 
>> Joe in the first place. It's a shame that IE, Firefox and Chrome these days 
>> seem to hate my older version of TiddlyWiki, so I can't use that either. 
>>  
>> Please understand that I don't mean any of the above to be intentionally 
>> nasty or over-critical; I just wanted to raise the point constructively for 
>> consideration. Like I said, I deeply appreciate the work that's gone into 
>> this, and that I even had the option of using TiddlyWiki.
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> - Elizabeth 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:14:12 PM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Elizabeth,
>>>
>>> Have a look at [1]
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ton
>>>
>>> [1] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:38:29 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>> There's a list of system tags here:
>>>>
>>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#SystemTags
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Elizabeth Blythe <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Richard!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a comprehensive list of system tags and what they do 
>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:47:58 PM UTC+10, Richard Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can add a tab to the sidebar by making a new Tiddler, eg; "Table 
>>>>>> of Contents" and giving it the tag $:/tags/SideBar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:13:37 AM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to use an older version of TiddlyWiki, so I'm used to being 
>>>>>>> able to define what goes into the navigation links (which are now on 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> right). I can't imagine this functionality has been removed... but  I 
>>>>>>> can't 
>>>>>>> seem to find any HowTos on the website that tell me how to do this in 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> newest version of TiddlyWiki (or even TiddlyWiki Classic). It is most 
>>>>>>> likely a language barrier because there's a lot of jaron and content to 
>>>>>>> search through... anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've spent last night and tonight trying to figure out how to modify 
>>>>>>> the navigation topics to insert the header, then sub navigation points 
>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>> want. How do I do that? Is it no longer contained in a special system 
>>>>>>> tiddler?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Elizabeth
>>>>>>>
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