Just a note - I resolved the ordering issue! I am now a very happy TiddlyWiki5 user at the moment.
Thanks again, everyone in this discussion, for your help and assistance. On Sunday, August 24, 2014 1:07:29 AM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe wrote: > > Hi Ton, > > I meant my own content, but I have figured that item out. I now have a > link showing up in "Contents" when I click on the Contents tab in the > navigation. > > That means I only need to get the ordering done. I've followed your > directions in the Ordering (at least, I think I did), but it doesn't seem > to be re-ordering the items in the Sidebar menu. I AM getting the > "Contents" tiddler at the top of the list in the 'lists' info section of > the $:/tags/Sidebar, but it is showing up in thin italics, which implies to > me that it's not pointing to the "Contents" tiddler that I created. Any > idea what I might have done wrong there? > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:53:05 AM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote: >> >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> For reordering have a look at [1]. >> See Customization > Advanced customization > Adding parts by tagging. >> Click the 'Ordering parts' slider. >> >> What do you mean by "the body of the 'Contents' tiddler"? Do you mean the >> TW documentation or your own content? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> [1] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/ >> >> >> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:37:32 PM UTC+2, Elizabeth Blythe wrote: >>> >>> Awesome - that got me most of the way there. I have the "Contents" tab >>> added to my sidebar tabs... how can I re-order it so that my contents tab >>> shows first in the sidebar instead of last? >>> >>> The other thing I want to do is make the body of the Contents tiddler >>> become a list of links in the sidebar. >>> >>> If you can tell me how to do these two things, I've got everything I >>> need! >>> >>> Thanks again! >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:30:11 AM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>> >>>> Have a look at [1]. >>>> See Customization > Advanced customization > Adding parts by tagging >>>> where you can find information about the system tags. >>>> The information is not totally up to date (up to TW5.0.13-beta); I am >>>> in the process of upgrading my guides. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Ton >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:15:49 PM UTC+2, Elizabeth Blythe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay, after a break, I'm back at it. >>>>> >>>>> The experience is much better this time - no problems saving or >>>>> anything. >>>>> >>>>> Can I get a sentence or two about what each of these tags do? >>>>> >>>>> $:/tags/ControlPanel >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#ControlPanel> >>>>> $:/tags/EditTemplate >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#EditTemplate> >>>>> $:/tags/EditToolbar >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#EditToolbar> >>>>> $:/tags/MoreSideBar >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#MoreSideBar> >>>>> $:/tags/PageControls >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#PageControls> >>>>> $:/tags/PageTemplate >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#PageTemplate> >>>>> $:/tags/SideBar <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#SideBar> >>>>> $:/tags/TiddlerInfo >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#TiddlerInfo> >>>>> $:/tags/ViewTemplate >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#ViewTemplate> >>>>> $:/tags/ViewToolbar >>>>> <http://giffmex.org/TiddlyQuickly.html#ViewToolbar> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I ask because they're in the TiddlyQuickly link (awesome, thank you >>>>> for sharing it with me!) as part of the tutorial under the label >>>>> "Adjusting >>>>> the appearance and layout of TiddlyWiki (slide 12 of 13)". I'm not really >>>>> sure I understand this section, but I think I'm getting closer. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for the patience and help! >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:40:28 PM UTC+10, Richard Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>>>> >>>>>> Your project sounds very interesting. I have thought before that TW >>>>>> would be excellent for a "choose your own adventure" type book - I used >>>>>> to >>>>>> be obsessed with a series of books called "Fighting Fantasy" when I was >>>>>> a >>>>>> kid. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you decide to stick with TW classic, you should probably download >>>>>> the latest version, check it works and then try importing the tiddlers >>>>>> from >>>>>> your old wiki into the new one. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you decide to try TW5, I'm sure everyone here would be happy to >>>>>> help. Personally I have decided to commit to using it and trust that it >>>>>> will eventually have all the features that I "need" for my project (I am >>>>>> writing a textbook) >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it would be great for somebody who is completely new to TW5 >>>>>> to write a plain English guide to doing the basics without going "under >>>>>> the >>>>>> hood". Once you've learned how it all works it's easy to forget what it >>>>>> looks like to people who haven't. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you get it to work. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 5:45:41 PM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Daniel & Richard, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't seen the TiddlyQuickly site, so I'll have a read. If I can >>>>>>> figure this out before I get too frustrated, I may even write my own >>>>>>> tutorial (unless it's reinventing the wheel, since it looks like >>>>>>> there's a >>>>>>> few people collaborating on this). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Amongst my many past times, I'm an online game designer, and I'm >>>>>>> using the wiki to design a story-based non-linear game. An example is >>>>>>> something like this: http://cinders.wikia.com/wiki/Cinders_Wiki <-- >>>>>>> mind, that's the underlying structure, not the front end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I need to do is change up the navigation, then add dialogue and >>>>>>> plot archs that link to one another, etc. It shouldn't be that hard >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> base TiddlyWiki functionality. I have an older version of TW (not sure >>>>>>> which it is) that I keep getting errors on upon opening. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again for the help; I'll check out those sites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>>> Elizabeth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:35:32 PM UTC+10, Daniel Baird wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In addition to Richard Smith's comments, I think it's worth noting >>>>>>>> that (in my estimation) TW5 is being build from the inside out -- >>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>> architecture first, then getting the fiddly inside bits right, then >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> nice friendly bits will come on after. So I think it's okay for it to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> "unfriendly" now, where it expects you to twist some metaphorical >>>>>>>> wires >>>>>>>> together to switch things on and off. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My expectation is that in the near future, the (equally >>>>>>>> metaphorical) nice carbon fibre panels and the dashboard with switches >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> dials gets added, and there will be a much more pleasant "Initial >>>>>>>> Experience". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anything, the thing that's trickiest is that tiddlywiki.com >>>>>>>> goes to tw5 and not the prior tw version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;Daniel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6 August 2014 11:33, Elizabeth Blythe <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just want to say thank you for all of the help. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also want to express that, while I honor the work that went into >>>>>>>>> this - gosh, thank you for creating a project flexible, for free, >>>>>>>>> for anyone walking along with an internet connection - I'm >>>>>>>>> disappointed >>>>>>>>> with some of the design choices in TW5. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The thing I loved about TiddlyWiki to start off with was that it >>>>>>>>> was in plain English, you didn't need to know how the wiki worked to >>>>>>>>> tailor >>>>>>>>> pretty much every aspect of it, you needed very little information >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> its structure (there were enough crumbs within the wiki itself to >>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>> out or find anything you didn't know) within past TiddlyWikis that >>>>>>>>> they had >>>>>>>>> a lot of utility for non-tech people. I've been chipping away at TW5 >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> about four days now and have barely figured out how tags work. The >>>>>>>>> documentation I'm reading doesn't really seem to help me figure out >>>>>>>>> what I >>>>>>>>> want to know, the TiddlyWiki itself reads like Greek, and I'm >>>>>>>>> seriously >>>>>>>>> worried that I will be unable to use TW5 for the project I had in >>>>>>>>> mind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TW5 seems to have moved away from being a layman's highly >>>>>>>>> configurable and transportable notebook - now, I need to find and >>>>>>>>> use special characters, figure out where those things are and how >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> work, and actually get a help websites and group support to tell me >>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>> do things... on the past TiddlyWikis that I used, I was up and >>>>>>>>> running with >>>>>>>>> really complex work in maybe thirty minutes at the outside, and I >>>>>>>>> never had >>>>>>>>> to join a community to get help. It let me focus on what I was using >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> wiki for, not have to learn how to use the wiki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm too impatient or something, I don't know, but I think >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki5 went way right field of what made it appealing to the >>>>>>>>> average >>>>>>>>> Joe in the first place. It's a shame that IE, Firefox and Chrome >>>>>>>>> these days >>>>>>>>> seem to hate my older version of TiddlyWiki, so I can't use that >>>>>>>>> either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please understand that I don't mean any of the above to be >>>>>>>>> intentionally nasty or over-critical; I just wanted to raise the >>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>> constructively for consideration. Like I said, I deeply appreciate >>>>>>>>> the work >>>>>>>>> that's gone into this, and that I even had the option of using >>>>>>>>> TiddlyWiki. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> - Elizabeth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:14:12 PM UTC+10, Ton Gerner wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have a look at [1] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ton >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] http://tw5custom.tiddlyspot.com/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 1:38:29 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Elizabeth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There's a list of system tags here: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#SystemTags >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Elizabeth Blythe < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Richard! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a comprehensive list of system tags and what they do >>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, thank you! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 4:47:58 PM UTC+10, Richard Smith >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can add a tab to the sidebar by making a new Tiddler, eg; >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Table of Contents" and giving it the tag $:/tags/SideBar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:13:37 AM UTC+10, Elizabeth Blythe >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used to use an older version of TiddlyWiki, so I'm used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being able to define what goes into the navigation links (which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are now on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right). I can't imagine this functionality has been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed... but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't seem to find any HowTos on the website that tell me how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do this in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the newest version of TiddlyWiki (or even TiddlyWiki Classic). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely a language barrier because there's a lot of jaron and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> content to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> search through... anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've spent last night and tonight trying to figure out how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modify the navigation topics to insert the header, then sub >>>>>>>>>>>>>> navigation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points I want. How do I do that? Is it no longer contained in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system tiddler? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Elizabeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Ruston >>>>>>>>>>> mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Daniel Baird >>>>>>>> objoke: I had a problem and decided to solve it with threading. >>>>>>>> Now, have problems. two I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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