Hi Arlen

> 
> The tiddlywiki architecture is inherently single file.

I’d respectfully disagree with that statement.

TiddlyWiki 5 has a chicken and egg architecture: the Node.js configuration is 
the chicken; the egg that it produces is the standalone single file 
configuration. But note the relationship: the Node.js configuration creates the 
single file configuration, not the other way around.

So, the archetypal form of TiddlyWiki is the Node.js configuration.

The key characteristic that is shared by both configurations is the idea of 
keeping all data in memory (quite a popular architecture in this decade). But 
that’s something that can be changed: the store is pluggable and can be 
replaced.


> This is why it is so hard to get multi-user configured properly. You would 
> have to virtually dismantle tiddlywiki and put it together differently to get 
> anything as static as Wikipedia. 

That sounds like a non-sequitor. There are a number of missing pieces for the 
multi user configuration where TW runs in the browser, as have been 
acknowledged and listed elsewhere. You seem to be referencing the architecture 
whereby individual static pages are generated (rather than shipping a full TW 
to the browser). I’m not aware of any major omissions there.

> Even the server and online versions download everything in few files and the 
> core idea again is one file.

I think here you are referring to the configuration where the server serves a 
full TW HTML file to the browser. That’s not the only configuration that is 
supported.

> If you load a tiddlywiki, the chances are that the entire thing will slowly 
> get loaded as you browse if it was Wikipedia.

Here I think you’re talking about lazy loading?

I don’t understand the comparison to Mediawiki. TiddlyWiki doesn’t have the 
same goals as MediaWiki. Why would it? We already have MediaWiki, so I’m not 
interested in re-inventing it. TiddlyWiki is trying to do something different.

> There are many options going forward, and almost all of them are very single 
> file oriented when setup correctly.

I don’t quite understand why you think that “almost all of them are very single 
file oriented”?

> So I don't think our browser conundrum is going to be too much of a hold up. 
> It will only change the way things work, but they can still work just as fast.

I think we’re coming from the same place here: the plethora of different 
configurations that TiddlyWiki supports means that we can be confident that it 
can be adapted to keep working into the far future.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> My thoughts,
> -Arlen
> 
> On Mar 22, 2017 3:21 PM, "@TiddlyTweeter" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Ciao Danielo  
> 
> Thanks for your response.
> 
> On Wednesday, 22 March 2017 12:51:15 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
> 
> Very good questions. I think they should be added to the official FAQ. Would 
> you mind to open an issue to the official NoteSelf Repo?
> 
> Sure. If it is helpful. 
>  
> 3 - personally I'm interested in the PouchDB / CouchDB combo for E-pubs but 
> your github does not explain how to integrate the functions of PouchDB in a 
> standard TW that would enable that (not that you SHOULD--only if you 
> interested in that).
> 
> That is because I'm not interested on giving support to standalone usages of 
> TiddlyPouch. They require some technical skills that I don't have time to 
> properly explain to normal users. Any advanced user otherwise should be able 
> to just go to TiddlyPouch repo and grab it to their own needs.
> 
> In the context of the current thread I am very appreciative of your answer. I 
> think its obvious, in a way, that one person following an interest can't 
> easily support carrying forward of their work other than in a very delimited 
> way. They just don't have the time.
> 
> But, also, from my point of view it also looks like, in some ways, good 
> things in TW that might well support wide use by non-specialists, get used by 
> a few, and never reach a critical mass. I'm observing this phenomena and 
> thinking about it. 
> 
> Its amazing the number of WAYS that TW can be got to work. But actually 
> forming an overview of them, one that you could communicate to others, is not 
> so easy.
> 
> Just thoughts
> 
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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