Folks,

With thanks to all and in this case mostly Mark S. My working solution is 
as follows

\define fieldname-value() <$text text="""$(fieldname-value-temp)$"""/>
\define fieldsvalues()
<$list filter="[all[current]fields[]] -[[tiddler-template-caption]] 
-[[text]] -[[title]] -[[created]] -[[modified]] 
-[[tiddler-template-caption]]" variable="field"><$set name=
"fieldname-value-temp" tiddler=<<currentTiddler>> field=<<field>> emptyValue
=""><<field>>="<<fieldname-value>>" </$set> </$list>
\end
\define clone-current-actions() 
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle={{!!title}} $savetitle=
"$:/temp/clone-current-title" $(attribs)$ text={{!!text}} />
<$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/clone-current-title}}/>
\end
\define clone-template-actions() 
<$action-createtiddler $basetitle={{!!instance-of}} $savetitle=
"$:/temp/clone-template-title" $(attribs)$ text={{!!text}} />
<$action-navigate $to={{$:/temp/clone-template-title}}/>
\end
\define clone-tiddler(tiddlername)
<$set name=tiddlername value="$tiddlername$" emptyValue=<<currentTiddler>> >
<$tiddler tiddler=<<tiddlername>> >
<$wikify name="attribs" text=<<fieldsvalues>> >
<$button actions=<<clone-current-actions>>class=<<tv-config-toolbar-class>> 
>Clone
</$button>
</$wikify>
</$tiddler>
</$set>
\end
\define new-template-instance(tiddlername,tags)
<$set name=tiddlername value="$tiddlername$" emptyValue=<<currentTiddler>> >
<$tiddler tiddler=<<tiddlername>> >
<$wikify name="attribs" text=<<fieldsvalues>> >
<$button actions=<<clone-template-actions>> 
class=<<tv-config-toolbar-class>> >New Instance
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-edit-tiddler" 
$param={{$:/temp/clone-template-title}}/>
</$button>
</$wikify>
</$tiddler>
</$set>
\end

;Named tiddler

New Order<<clone-tiddler "$:/New order/template">> Clone

New Order<<new-template-instance "$:/New order/template">> Template

;On current tiddler

Clone this<<clone-tiddler>> 

Template this<<new-template-instance>> Only works if the current tiddler 
has an "instance-of" field with a basetitle

I will be building this into a Tiddler Template solution and aim to share 
that.

I altered same names to help me understand marks code. See the macro 
invocations at the bottom

   - clone-tiddler simply copies the tiddler to a new tiddler with the name 
   iterated, with the exception of some fields. But all tags and the text.
   - new-template-instance does the same as clone but gets the new tiddler 
   name from instance-of field (usually in a template tiddler) and has a 
   different save title.
   - Both record the source tiddler in the new one

I hope this helps someone!

Tony

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