I think it should also be pointed out that upstream Xorg uses autotools, and 
we're tracking their stuff more closely these days.

I hate autotools as much as anyone else, but unfortunately I think we're stuck 
with it.

Regards,

George

On Thursday 16 April 2009 08:05:59 Peter Åstrand wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009, DRC wrote:
> >> If we once decided that we will use autotools we should not completely
> >> rewrite our build system every year because something _might_ be
> >> better. Next argument is that noone of developers know scons, I think.
> >
> > Well, I didn't know AutoTools prior to 3 weeks ago either, but I knew it
>
> But 3 of 4 core developers did, so we could assist you. No-one of use have
> experience with CMake or SCons, as far as I understand.
>
> > advantageous on Unix, such as the fact that Xorg uses it.  However, I am
> > very much a proponent of using a toolchain on Windows that does not
> > require Cygwin.  There is currently no way to use AutoConf/AutoMake on
> > Windows without the Cygwin toolchain.
>
> You keep saying that, but I don't understand why. I just tried installing
> MinGW + MSYS + MSYS DTK on my Vista machine and now I have the full
> Autotools toolchain, without Cygwin. The installation only took a few
> minutes.
>
> > It would make sense to me to switch to another build system on Windows,
> > even if we don't switch on Unix.
>
> Having to maintain two different build systems would really be a pain.
>
> > AutoConf/AutoMake is simply not an accepted way of building software
> > among Windows developers.
>
> I haven't seen any indications of this. If we should use MinGW (seems to
> be a strong consensus about that), then it should be trivial for Windows
> developers to install MSYS as well. The download is actually on the same
> page where you download MinGW.
>
> My suggestion is that we try MinGW + MSYS on Windows; we haven't done that
> yet. If it turns out that this causes a lot of problems an unhappy
> developers, then we can reconsider.
>
>
> Best regards,
> ---
> Peter Åstrand         ThinLinc Chief Developer
> Cendio AB             http://www.cendio.com
> Wallenbergs gata 4
> 583 30 Linköping      Phone: +46-13-21 46 00



-- 
George Wright, http://www.gwright.org.uk

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