Hi John,

Sure, and that makes perfect sense for that context. I'm just saying that sometimes the setup may perform better than expected as you end up accidentily in this setup, or you can choose to use this intentionally.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2019-01-08 21:11, John Ackermann N8UR wrote:
That makes sense.  I was thinking of the case where the reference and channels were asynchronous.

On 1/8/19 1:53 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote:
John,

Depends on your setup. If one of the channels is synchronous with the time-base, then you can expect much less noise on that channel, since you are not sweeping two clocks asynchronous to the time-base, so you will for relatively clean sources only expose a fractional range of the phase errors.

Cheers,
Magnus

On 2019-01-08 19:48, John Ackermann N8UR wrote:
Hi Luciano --

Thanks for posting that.  There's a subtle point about the noise floor that's forever been on my list of things to investigate: the noise floor should be lower in timestamp mode than in time interval (A->B) mode.

That's because in timestamp mode there is jitter contribution only from a single measurement, whereas in time interval mode there is a measurement from each channel so you have two jitter components.  So a guess is that the floor should be about sqrt(2) lower in timestamp mode.  Someday I will test that theory.

John
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    .gif of the TICC noise floor.
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    Hi Paul,
    here the TICC noise floor.
    Regarding the GPS/TICC versus a good Rubidium standard like the HP5065A , you cannot apreciate the Rubidium ADEV stability lower than 10Kseconds.
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    Hi All sorry for a new be question but what is a TICC regards Paul B UK

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    Subject: [time-nuts] Short term 10MHz source

    I have a situation in which I have access to a GPSDO 10MHz source but for     only about 10-12 hours at a time. My current residence does not allow a
    permanent GPS antenna therefore I am limited in its use.

    I do realise that the long term stability of the GPSDO is somewhat superior     to a Rubidium source. I'm planning on using my TICC to validate both my     GPSDO and RFS. I'm aware that such a short "power on" period is somewhat     counterproductive but I have no other options. I'd like to know if a 6-8     hour window for the GPSDO is sufficient for use as a 10MHz source for the
    TICC.

    I appreciate any and all comments.

    Regards, Chris
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