Hi

*Any* divide approach followed by a flip flop clocked by the input clock will 
meet
that same basic requirement. While it *sounds* like it would improve things, it 
very much depends on the details.

What are you trying to do? What is the input frequency? What is the phase noise 
requirement?

Bob

> On Jun 20, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Gilles Clement <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert,
> You are right, its the lambda divider that was discussed. Need to better 
> understand this approach....
> 74HC40103 could also do the 81 Pi-divide easily,  but I tend to prefer the 
> PICDIV concept where the controller is clocked by the signal to divide (So 
> limited or no noise is  added). AVR family could do it, as most of the 
> instructions take only one clock.
> Gilles.
> 
> 
>> Le 20 juin 2020 à 19:48, Robert LaJeunesse <[email protected]> a écrit :
>> 
>> Gilles, if I read the Calosso-Rubiola paper correctly a Pi divider is 
>> pretty much your standard square-wave producing digital divider, such as a 
>> 74163 (for even divides). There's odd-value (3,5,7) Pi dividers shown at 
>> https://www.theremin.us/Circuit_Library/symmetrical_digital_dividers.html. 
>> What the Calosso-Rubiola paper promotes is the Lambda divider, which is 
>> depicted in figure 2 of the paper.
>> 
>> Bob L. 
>> 
>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 at 10:27 AM
>>> From: "Gilles Clement" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Frequency division by 81
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> Could you point me to a practical design example of a Pi divider ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Envoyé de mon iPad
>>> 
>>>>> Le 19 juin 2020 à 08:56, Poul-Henning Kamp <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>> --------
>>>> 
>>>>> I need to divide the output of an OCXO by a factor D=81 for testing 
>>>>> purposes. So with minimum added phase noise.
>>>> 
>>>> Two stages of divide by 9 PI-dividers ?
>>>> 
>>>> http://rubiola.org/pdf-articles/conference/2013-ifcs-Frequency-dividers.pdf
>>>> 
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