On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 03:15:09PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Mine is one of the biggest in Canada and it runs ntp services on its web 
> servers and on its mail servers. Have you at least tested this on your 
> own provider (ftp,pop,dns,etc.) before jumping to the conclusion that your 
> provider doesn't give you permission to connect to its time servers and 
> that therefore you must have the pool to save the world. Have you phoned 
> your ISP to ask if they provide time services ?

Please do not put words in my mouth! I was only referring to running NTP
servers for the sole purpose of saving bandwidth. Or, especially in the
case of the OP, actively intercepting outgoing NTP traffic and
redirecting it to their servers.

As for my ISPs, I have had several.

        - 1 runs NTP on their routers, and I could query it. Except they run
          with one peer only, and that one peer is tick.usno....
        
        - 1 ran NTP and did so competantly. They even responded to my
          questions about it (and once a report that "umm, one of your
          ntp servers has its clock running weirdly") Unfortunately, I no
          longer have this ISP.

        - 2 I could not find any servers that would answer NTP requests from
          me. One I no longer have (so I obviously won't be asking them) and
          one I haven't asked.

As for "must have the pool", well, I just need to re-install my GPS
clock. Really don't need much external time sync then (except to tell
you if the GPS goes crazy, which it really never does).
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