On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, der Mouse wrote:
>> Have you phoned your ISP to ask if they provide time services ?
>
> Not directly applicable in my case; I work for my ISP. But I was at
> one point with Sympatico, and, while I never had occasino to ask them
> about NTP, I did have occasion to try to get straight answers to simple
> technical questions out of their "customer service" people. Based on
> the (non-)results I got, I would be surprised if an end-user were able
> to reach anyone who even knew what NTP is.
You have just confirmed what I was saying, pool members do not look if
service is available from their provider before trying to connect to the
other side of the planet :
ntpq -pn mail.sympatico.ca
remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset
jitter
==============================================================================
*206.47.60.230 206.47.60.179 4 u 483 1024 377 0.470 0.193
0.210
ntpq -pn www.sympatico.ca
remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset
jitter
==============================================================================
*206.47.60.179 128.100.56.135 3 u 120 128 377 1.890 0.262
0.120
>
>> Presuming that providers do not want you to connect to their time
>> servers because [...]
>
> It's not so much presuming that they don't want you to use their
> servers as it is not arrogating to yourself the decision of what
> servers and/or services are for customer consumption.
>
Hmmm... Ok then, Sympatico put ntp servers on their most used and obvious
servers, "but it's not for customer consumption" so therefore we need the
pool to save the world.
> Yes, your provider's webserver may wall run NTP. However, if it is not
> designed for customer consumption, it may "break" (change in a way that
> makes it no longer useful to you) at any time with no warning, such as
> when your provider decides to keep its webserver's time accurate
> through some other means. It also is just plain *rude* to assume that
> *anyone* else's server is free for you to use just because you can.
>
Hmmm....
> Of course, you may be of the opinion that any resource that is
> accessible must be free for as much use as you can get away with, in
> which case we have nothing more to say to one another.
>
Hmmm....
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