Jim:

I think the term is such a problem for people they equate "submission"
with "being oppressed" or "being powerless" or "being abused."  One of
the great benefits of the feminist movement is that it has heightened
our awareness of the power differences between men and women in all
types of relationships.  For many years women were truly considered
second-class citizens (at best) or property (at worst).  This dynamic
unfortunately still exists in some marriages today.  And equally
unfortunately is the negative connotation of the word "submission" both
in the ivory tower and in the real world.

I agree with you that submission is important in marriage, although I
would emphasize the idea of mutual submission.  If one (or both) partner
is not willing to submit to the other, then a power differential will
exist and one partner will most likely end up being oppressed to some
degree.

Mutual submission also occurs in the classrooms of effective teachers, I
would suggest.  Students certainly submit to the will of the teacher,
but effective teachers will also learn to submit to the will of the
students when it is in the best interest of some greater good (such as
the learning environment).  Sometimes students will ask me to reconsider
an answer on a test question that I had marked wrong.  If they produce a
reasonable and sound argument, I do not mind giving them credit for the
question.  In my Human Growth and Development class this semester, I had
scheduled a 5-year-old child to come to class so we could observe
various developmental principles in action.  This was the only child
that I had planned to invite to the class, but the class response was
very positive and they asked if it would be possible to have more
"subjects" of different age groups come to class.  It wasn't part of my
initial plan, but I submitted to their request because it fostered a
very positive learning experience.  

If I just insisted on doing things my way without regard for the
opinions or attitudes of my students, then I would have missed out on a
tremendous opportunity to help my students grow.  Of course, in the
cases I just mentioned my submission to the will of my students is based
upon a particular educational philosophy that views the instructor and
the students as co-creators of a learning environment.  I think some
professors can go too far along either end of the continuum.  Some
professors of a more totalitarian bent are unwilling to make any
concessions or sacrifices for their students.  Other professors allow
the students too much flexibility in the classroom and don't assert
themselves in situations that require assertion.

There is a give-and-take in all healthy relationships.  To me, that is
what mutual submission is all about.

Submissively yours,

Rod
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Guinee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences
Subject: to submit


Submit!

Why is submit such a bad thing?  Is it just something that 
culturally, psychologically, tends to produce a reflexive 
reaction that says "No way I submit to anything or anyone."

Granted we may differ in the extent, degree, and to whom we do 
this to, but certainly we don't see submission as the beast itself? 
Do we?

Isn't submission putting your own agenda aside for someone 
else's, whether for a moment, or for a certain amount of time? 
Isn't that part of healthy relationships?

Is there something psychologically terrible that some see in the 
act of submission???

We submit all the time, don't we?

When my government sends me a 1040, I submit to the law and 
complete it accurately.

When the light turns red, I submit to the local authorities and stop.

When my boss asks me for a report I submit to his leadership 
and do it.

And don't couples mutually submit to each other, in some 
sense?  Haven't you ever did something for your wife or 
husband, even if you didn't want to, for the greater good of the 
family?

Isn't that part of the problem with marriages today - each person 
wants it his/her way, and wants a spouse that will bend and 
conform to his/her desires.  I do a fair amount of marriage 
counseling, and see a lot of conflicted couples who refuse to 
submit to the greater good.  Each wants the other one to grow 
up, to accede to their wishes, etc., but is often unwilling to 
respond in kind!

Marriage is not just about finding the right person, it is being the 
right person.  It is giving and loving and serving.  Non-religious 
marriages may be more egalitarian, and therefore preferable, 
but isn't there mutual submission occurring there too?

After all, the biggest change in my marriage was learning to 
submit to my wife's needs and desires, and she to mine.

When my wife asks me to take the kids to the grocery store 
because she's had them all day I submit to her wishes for the 
greater good of the family.

When my wife asks me to take the trash out every night because 
she simply doesn't want to, I submit to her request.

I submit to my wife all the time, esp when I see her needs as 
greater in that situation than mine.  Any time she goes through a 
period of unhappiness it may be partly due to my inability, 
perhaps unwillingness, to ascertain how to fulfill some of her 
needs.

Certainly we're not haggling over submission itself, are we?

I submit the world becomes a better place with more of this 
thang, not less. 

Jim



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