Nacy is 100% correct and I could not agree with her
more!

Payam


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> Ed Pollak wrote:
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> I couldn't disagree more.  On our periodic
> evaluations of their instructors,
> our students are asked to indicate what grade they
> expect to receive in the
> course.  Virtually none of them indicate that they
> expect to get Ds or Fs
> despite the fact that at least 1/3 of receive those
> grades.  The idea that
> students cannot answer this question correctly in
> the face of indisputable
> evidence suggests to me that they would be even more
> (self)delusional with
> your approach.  Besides, so many of them have
> trouble computing a simply
> percentage so how could expect them to accurately
> weight the grades on the
> various tests, quizzes & assignments.  
> 
> 
> I guess I don't view it as my responsibility to help
> them 1) deal with their 
> delusions or 2) perpetuate the refusal to learn to
> do simple math. If they 
> are that clueless, I doubt it would matter if I
> tattooed their grades 
> individually on their foreheads.
> 
> We are supposed to challenge them as adult learners.
>  Therefore I refuse to 
> infantilize them. My philosophy (right or wrong) is
> that part of what we are 
> supposed to do at college level (hell, at every
> level in education) is teach 
> them to think for themselves. If they are going
> along expecting an A, and 
> they get an F, well, that's a lesson for them too.
> 
> Nancy Melucci
> LACCD
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