Patricia It is not that the APA does not offer useful services. It is that the APA represents the degradation of the science of psychology, its transformation from a profession to an industry, and its furtherance of highly destructive social trends (e.g., the "psychologizing" of society).
The useful services offered by the APA could occur in the context of a professional society devoted to advancing the scientific aspects of psychology (including science-based clinical psychology), rather than a lobby group for an industry devoted to making money and acquiring power. regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 11:34 AM Subject: Re: APA President-elect > Yes Paul, I re-read your comment, and you are correct about not criticizing > Dr. Koocher. It was the same thread, and your statement of mass > resignations from APA was in that context. That is what got to me. To > quote: "If everyone lets their membership to the APA lapse in protest, > maybe something will happen, but given that the APA is actually an industry > guild rather than a professional society, it is doubtful." > > Let me ask you something about that. What would we teaching psychologists > do without the journals and the expansive data bases maintained by APA? APA > keeps our discipline's history fully intact, keeps us up with what is going > on now, and assures that future work in the field will be readily available > to us all. I think about that every time I pay my dues, and--recognizing > that no other organization or publisher fills or would be able or willing to > fill that void should APA become weak--make out that check quite willingly. > > RE: your criticisms of my comments, I believe I answered them. > > Patricia Keith-Spiegel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Okami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: APA President-elect > > > > As I said, I know absolutely nothing about the man as was not criticizing > > him. For all I know, he is a saint. I was concerned about the premises > > used to defend him against certain types of criticisms. My points were > > directed toward Patricia's comments, not toward Dr. Koocher. > > > > Paul > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patricia Spiegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: APA President-elect > > > > > >> Thanks, Stephen. I am glad you said it the way you did, because you > >> don't > >> really know Gerry, and yet he does stop to help anyone who he thinks is > >> being treated unfairly. > >> Paul O, are you on board to hear from the "target" himself? > >> Tricia > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Stephen Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:15 PM > >> Subject: Re: APA President-elect > >> > >> > >> > On 3 Dec 2004, Patricia Spiegel wrote: > >> > > >> >> Tell you what. If the two Paul's and Stephen will > >> >> give their permission, I will forward this thread to Koocher himself > > and > >> >> let > >> >> him respond to your concerns. I look forward to hearing from the 3 of > >> >> you. > >> >> > >> > > >> > I have to admit that after writing my note concerning my dismay at > >> > Dr. Koocher's apparent support for false memory therapy, pushing the > >> > send key was one of the hardest things I've had to do on TIPS. I did > >> > appreciate the help he gave me, and that note seemed like a poor way > >> > to thank him. So I also have to admit that I was hoping that he > >> > wouldn't find out about it. > >> > > >> > But (as I've been warning people), our posts are readily available to > >> > anyone who knows how to google. And, in any case, he deserves the > >> > opportunity to respond, although I imagine a president-elect likely > >> > has other more pressing matters to concern himself with at the > >> > moment. > >> > > >> > So my answer is yes, I give permission, and I look forward to his > >> > response. > >> > > >> > Stephen > >> > > >> > ___________________________________________________ > >> > Stephen L. 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