On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:33:13 -0800, Annette Taylor wrote:
Does anyone know where I could find data on how many tenure-track
jobs a person has, on average, before getting tenure?
I have recently been told that almost NO ONE gets tenure in their first
job.
Is that right? That has not been my experience but I'm an old person
;-)
I don't know if this is true or not but I would suggest looking at
sources
of information post-2000. Earlier practices have not carried over to
today, as evidenced by the large number of adjuncts that are teaching.
It is probably true that a number of Ph.D.s do NOT get a tenure track
job right out of grad school and there may be a number of adjunct
positions that one holds before getting a tenure-track position that
ultimately leads to tenure.
Another thing to keep in mind is that a number of universities are
also using "one year contract full-time" faculty, that is, the persons
are full-time faculty but are not on a tenure track, rather they are
full-time faculty but have to be reappointed every year (or not
reappointed as the case might be).
Would there be any statistics on this? If so, where?
Not sure but someone might be collecting this data (I would be
surprised if APA did). However, given the changes over the
years, with the number of tenure track lines being limited or
cutback, the "powers that be" might not want this type of info
made public since it makes getting a Ph.D. something of a
pointless or poverty inducing enterprise.
Another question: average number of years to PhD in the US?
Anyone know where I'd find that data? I'm going try the APA website...
which may take a l - o - n - g surf.
I remember that when I got my Ph.D. I had to fill out a survey that
was processed by some organization. About a year later I received
a short newsletter that provided a breakdown of information about
Ph.D.s across disciplines. Psychology was presented as a single
category and, if memory serves, the average/median time Ph.D.
was about 8.0 years. Today, the National Science Foundation
appears to collect and disseminate this information. For info on
Doctorate Recipients, see:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/sed/2013/data-tables.cfm
For doctorates in Psychology, see table 60 (available in Excel
and PDF formats); see:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/sed/2013/data/tab61.pdf
One has the option of downloading all 70 tables as a single
file.
For the curious, here are some relevant statistics:
Median # of years to doctorate from the B.A.: 8.4 years
Median # of years to doctorate from Grad school start: 6.9 years.
Psychology is provided in the "Social Science" group
(I did not check the other tables for "Cognitive Science"
or "Neuroscience") and if there is any "good" news,
psychology doctorates take the least amount of time
to the PH.D. for both of the above measures. "Anthropology"
and "Other Social Sciences" took the longest (both
took 11.7 years from bachelors to Ph.D., and 9.5 years
from start of graduate school to Ph.D.
Incidentally, 72.2% of psychology doctorate recipients were
women while economics had the lowest at 35.5%. Must be
all those econometric courses. ;-) <--- NOTE!!!!!!!
-Mike Palij
New York University
[email protected]
P.S. the NSF website has a lot of other interesting info which
might be relevant.
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