Hi All, I have two (potentially) relevant comments. I was in the third cohort of students accepted into my Ph.D. program in social psychology. At the time the program was advertised as a five year program, and within the first two years of graduates, two students had completed the program in four years (one got a TT job and the other got a desirable post-doc). Since that time, however, everything seems to have changed - I started graduate school in 2006, pre-economic recession and job market collapse. My doctoral advisor recently mentioned that the program is now designed to be completed in six years, and very few students (perhaps none) finish in less time - most finish in more. We don't have mandatory internships in social psychology, and post-docs are rare. It seems to me that the extra time in graduate school may actually be beneficial, as it allows for the graduate extra time to grow his or her CV. (Note: I was one of the first students to take six years to finish, but I absolutely think the extra year improved my job market competitiveness).
On the issue of "jobs to tenure," I think we need to separate the reasons why people have multiple jobs before tenure. I am a pre-tenure faculty member who has held two TT positions in my (relatively) short career. I didn't leave the first institution because I anticipated not getting tenure (quite the contrary, actually). Rather, I left because the job was not a good fit for me. Others in my position have left for similar reasons. I say this as a plea to interpret any "jobs to tenure" data with caution. Some people leave because they were denied (or anticipated being denied) tenure; some leave for other (often very justifiable) reasons. Cheers, Lauren **************************** Lauren E. Brewer, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Psychology Stephen F. Austin State University [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Annette Taylor [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:31 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] jobs to tenure Does anyone know where I could find data on how many tenure-track jobs a person has, on average, before getting tenure? I have recently been told that almost NO ONE gets tenure in their first job. Is that right? That has not been my experience but I'm an old person ;-) Would there be any statistics on this? If so, where? Another question: average number of years to PhD in the US? Anyone know where I'd find that data? I'm going try the APA website...which may take a l - o - n - g surf. Annette Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph. D. Visiting Professor, Ashoka University, Delhi, India [email protected] Professor, Psychological Sciences University of San Diego [email protected] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=1872715.2768efcee5c0e1ceff1cbc3818315eb1&n=T&l=tips&o=47402 or send a blank email to leave-47402-1872715.2768efcee5c0e1ceff1cbc3818315...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=47406 or send a blank email to leave-47406-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
