Yes, exactly. I believe that Andrew is referring to the fact that hybrids 
aren't RECOMMENDED=Y which is silly, and the impetus behind Bas’s recent 
effort: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerbaan-tls-keyshare-recommendations/

Nadim Kobeissi
Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software

> On 5 Jun 2026, at 8:53 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 12:38 PM Salz, Rich <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> This happened after a significant amount of time and was deliberately 
>> steered toward the opposite of said result
>> 
>> My recollection and view is the exact opposite. ML-KEM key exchange was 
>> never going to be RECOMMENDED=Y. 
> 
> This matches my recollection as well. Rather, both pure ML-KEM and the 
> ECC/ML-KEM hybrids were going to be Recommended=N, and then we decided late 
> in the process (after IESG approval) to make the hybrid Recommended=Y.
> 
> -Ekr
> 
> 
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