On Sat, Jun 6, 2026 at 2:57 AM Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Yes, exactly. I believe that Andrew is referring to the fact that hybrids
> aren't RECOMMENDED=Y which is silly, and the impetus behind Bas’s recent
> effort:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerbaan-tls-keyshare-recommendations/
>

As Rich and I have noted, this is already changed in version -05, which is
currently in second IETF LC.

-Ekr




> Nadim Kobeissi
> Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software
>
> On 5 Jun 2026, at 8:53 PM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 12:38 PM Salz, Rich <rsalz=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>    - This happened after a significant amount of time and was
>>    deliberately steered toward the opposite of said result
>>
>>
>> My recollection and view is the exact opposite. ML-KEM key exchange was
>> *never* going to be RECOMMENDED=Y.
>>
>
> This matches my recollection as well. Rather, both pure ML-KEM and the
> ECC/ML-KEM hybrids were going to be Recommended=N, and then we decided late
> in the process (after IESG approval) to make the hybrid Recommended=Y.
>
> -Ekr
>
>
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