On Mon, 8 Jun 2026, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:

I’m not even done. 

You should be, if this is the tone you intend to use to foster community
and be part of consensus decisions. Disagreement is fine. Insulting
is not. And instead of firing off 8 messages/day, perhaps gather your
thoughts, separate them from your emotions, and write one constructive
email instead.


I agree with Rich about citations of work. It has nothing to do with
personal views. If we cite academic work, we do that via academic
references and not via personal home pages. Not just because of the
misisng peer reviews, but also because of the historical poor hygiene
of long lived URLs on personal home pages. This is unrelated to the
specific individual. Rich did not make a personal attack to you. Your
answer however, was a personal attack.

In general, the TLS WG and its list have become defacto unusable for TLS
development because of the curent barrage of emails by few individuals
on a single topic that will never see covergence (and luckilly, that is
not needed as it doesn't involve MTI items of TLS).

The current rate is 400 messages/month. This is driving away people and
is doing damage to the continued development of TLS far beyond whether
or not there will be a crypto codepoint people can decide to use or not.

Paul

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