Dear Jason, Let me make sure the sequence is clear for the record.
Sean asked everyone to stick to "I support" or "I don't support." Paul then responded with seven paragraphs accusing Dr. Bernstein of "consensus manipulation," something about "social media influencers," and "infinite" appeals. The IAB had already found Paul's characterization on proceedings for this very draft "did not accurately describe the record." I corrected Paul's statements, because they did not accurately describe the record. You then respond seemingly concerned about statements made that honor heroes for their positive impacts on society. Then, Tony Patti, also a legend from the First Crypto War, who happens to also be the first to use the phrase "open source" in public, clarifies that Dr. Bernstein is due credit. You then entirely change the goal post and respond to him wondering why that should "give anyone special consideration." None of this thread was about Dr. Bernstein getting special treatment. Yet, this also highlights the fact that he's the only participant who IS NOT getting special treatment. Everyone else appears to be able to post quite freely. He's the only one who needs approval and a two business day wait [1]. Finally, I hope the next generation aspires to be like anyone on this e-mail list. When they join, they will learn and observe. Let's make sure that which they observe is us at our best. Sincerely, Andrew [1] Due to a footnote like this. > On Jul 4, 2026, at 3:43 PM, Livingood, Jason > <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Tony Patti <[email protected]> > >>> From: Andrew Lee <[email protected]> > >>> one who literally went head to head with the US government > > >> From Livingood, Jason <[email protected]> > >> Many people in the IETF have done so > > > Jason, I question if any people in the IETF have pursued and won TWO > decisions against the United States government, > > Even if so - why should that give anyone special consideration? There are > after all many people at the IETF that have done such things (with the US > government and other governments) - it is just that not all of those > instances may be quite so public or that the people involved may not wear it > on their sleeve, so to speak. Point being - the IETF is bursting with smart, > resourceful, experienced professionals - many of whom have achieved great > things in public and private spheres. No one gets special permission to cite > their achievements and use that to get permission to create unnecessary > friction and cause other problems for this community. We owe it to each other > to treat everyone professionally and follow the rules/processes/procedures of > the community. Those that do not, are actively choosing to not participate in > this community. > > JL > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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