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garym;621247 Wrote: > I don't know the code and I'm not a programmer, so I can't speak to this > issue. But I do know how to do experiments. The problem with > extrapolating the results of your experiments back to a particular > cause (e.g., 7.5.3 being a problem) is that there are too many > uncontrolled variables (differences in your system, network, etc.) that > confound the results (at least with regard to the hypothesis you're > testing). Just like my brother's success with the Touch and HD is just > one data point and can't really be extrapolated to the population of > users. But it does show that the TOUCH with HD is not absolutely > broken, or it wouldn't work at all for him either. > > Another data point: At my weekend place I've been using for several > weeks 7.5.3 running on a Win7, 64bit laptop. This feeds a TOUCH, a > Radio, and a BOOM. The TOUCH and BOOM are ethernet connected. The Radio > is WIFI. I'm running: Version: 7.5.3 - r31792 @ Mon Jan 24 07:32:03 PST > 2011 (which I believe is the official released version). I keep the > TOUCH and the Radio synched for playback. And heck, my laptop running > SbS is connected via WIFI, which is normally a no-no, as I have two > WIFI hops in my setup here when in comes to my wifi connected Radio. (I > have a sheevaplug to setup as a server here but just haven't had the > time to play with it.) > > It's a small place so I have good WIFI coverage. I also get very good > upload/download speeds on my broadband cable connection (20.51mbps > download, 4.19mbps upload). I also have static IP addresses for all the > SB Players, to the extent that makes things more stable. > > I listen to about 5 different internet radio streams (WNYC, WWOZ, WDVX, > Radio Paradise, TSF Jazz, KPIG), Pandora, and my own music in this setup > (75% internet streams, 25% my own music). I've had zero issues with > streaming internet music or playing my own music (and because it is the > weekend, I'm streaming about 12 hours a day for both Sat and Sunday). > And to be clear, I have no dropouts, no lost connections, nothing but > pure uninterrupted streaming. And most of these streams are 128kbs > streams. > > Again, this is not to discount that you and others are having problems. > Just a datapoint to illustrate that the underlying software and hardware > can't be entirely broken or it wouldn't be trouble free for me. I'm not > trying to be a shill for Logitech. I like the stuff, I use the stuff. > They have their issues, they have not yet figured out a way to really > explain how all this works to the new or potential customer, and the > support info is not that great (but then again, there is a lot of good > help here from other users!). I also think they "oversold" the idea > that the internal TinySbS in the TOUCH was great for all purposes. It's > not (and I don't use it myself). > > I see that 7.5.4 will be out anytime. Hopefully that will solve your > problems. I am in the business of software development, and have been for 20 years. For applications and databases far more complex than squeezebox software and database. In my opinion, the correct attitude is not extrapolate than the software is fine, just because it works fine for you. Ok the fact that you are satisfied means than not 100% of customers are ready to throw the application through the window ... But if you want Logitech to go on selling squeezebox product, everything must be fine, not only for you, or for a few customers. There is no need to be an expert to see that a lot of people, and a lot of experienced people tell that TinySBS is not satisfying. At the beginning, I was like you, and satisfied. But after a few weeks, it was obvious for me, that this functionality is not ok for most people, if the goal is to replace SBS. It is not reliable enough, if you regularly disconnect the usb hdd, or regularly add new files. Rescanning time is not acceptable for normal people, with normal use. Don't get me wrong, I still think it is fine with usb stick of 8GB (with 7.6, not 7.5.3, nor 7.5.4), but not for big HDD If Logitech stopped to advertise the TinySBS thing (I fully approve this decision), it is not just to bother you, and please a small minority of disatisfied customers ... Your experience is very strange. I am listening several hours a day all week long, not only on weekends like you. I guess that on working days, your ISP may be more loaded than on weekends. And while you listen 12 hours a day on weekends, a lot of people, like me, are not at home using their computers. This could explain why you have very few problems, and why your personal situation cannot be extrapolated. I have one the best internet connection you can imagine having at home, with astonishing performance for everything (FTTH connection 100Mb down and 50Mb up, with usually even better figures) I guess the streams you are listening to, are extremely stable. Because normally, a lot of radios streams have occasionally small dropouts. If I listen to those streams with my laptop, I have no problem, and can hardly notice some very short dropouts when the stream server is not as its best. If I listen to the same streams with SBS, it can be perfectly fine for a week or two. But sometimes, while I have no problem listening with any other software on the laptop, I have several seconds rebuffering with the Touch (unacceptable for a normal customer), and with 7.5.3, it just stops playing. You can think whatever you want, it is obvious for me than the problem is 100% in the squeezebox chain. I have 0 problem (very short droppout due to the stream server is not a problem for me) with any other software and the laptop. It is not just me, a lot of people have the same problem. 7.5.4 RC doesn't solve problems I have for USB sticks, and I won't loose my time with 7.5.x versions. 7.6 seems much better, I hope Logitech started to handles problems after seeing what happened with 7.5.3 In my opinion, SBS developers were prone to add new things in what should be maintenance releases where no regression should be tolerated. -- nicolas75 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86446 _______________________________________________ Touch mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
