onpon4 - I doubt anybody needs the logic/debate class lesson, I'm sure
we've all learned the logical fallacies before. I was absolutely equating
software and art, in both directions. It's an opinion stance, and there's
nothing concrete to argue there, just my own view.

Icerf - I'm not a troll. Economics suggest that people do not generally
want personal responsibility for their goods and devices. If you've ever
done consumer IT or phone support, you'll find that quite a lot of people
get upset that your service 'let them' get into trouble. Example of that
being Verizon customers forever complaining that the company 'allows' them
to go over their data plan allowance. Oddly, they still don't switch to a
provider like Ting who values freedom at all. The actual data to back up
any of this is readily available to you if you care to poke around. You're
looking only at what supports yourself though, so I wouldn't bet on that.

I never once said people have a taste for abuse. You call it abuse. People
who want it call it 'protection', 'support' and a number of other things.
Right or wrong, the notion that non-free software is abuse by default is an
ideological stance and not a factual one. You're in the position of
attempting to Tell people what they want, rather than asking. And why? For
their own protection, you say ... which sounds an awful lot like any
tyrannical dictator. Freedom isn't freedom without choice.

On Thu Feb 19 2015 at 6:19:48 PM <[email protected]> wrote:

> Even if software is art (I disagree with that idea entirely), it doesn't
> follow that art is software. That's called affirming the consequent:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
>

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