me as a user in the proper groups seems to be OK. I found a command to list what's on on startup. I'll try to find those that are stopped/waiting, and appear to be related to the issue.
$ initctl list avahi-cups-reload stop/waiting avahi-daemon start/running, process 798 mountall-net stop/waiting mountnfs-bootclean.sh start/running passwd stop/waiting rc stop/waiting rsyslog start/running, process 724 startpar-bridge stop/waiting tty4 start/running, process 827 udev start/running, process 371 upstart-udev-bridge start/running, process 362 ureadahead-other stop/waiting console-setup stop/waiting hwclock-save stop/waiting idmapd-mounting stop/waiting plymouth-log stop/waiting rpcbind-boot stop/waiting systemd-logind start/running, process 788 tty5 start/running, process 828 failsafe stop/waiting mountall.sh start/running rfkill-store stop/waiting statd start/running, process 692 dbus start/running, process 613 mounted-var stop/waiting plymouth-shutdown stop/waiting plymouth stop/waiting resolvconf start/running udev-fallback-graphics stop/waiting autofs start/running, process 976 checkroot.sh start/running control-alt-delete stop/waiting hwclock stop/waiting mounted-proc stop/waiting cups-browsed start/running, process 950 setvtrgb stop/waiting shutdown stop/waiting statd-mounting stop/waiting cron start/running, process 972 mountall stop/waiting mounted-debugfs stop/waiting mountkernfs.sh start/running rpcbind start/running, process 614 binfmt-support start/running console stop/waiting mounted-run stop/waiting checkfs.sh start/running checkroot-bootclean.sh start/running kmod stop/waiting mountnfs.sh start/running plymouth-stop stop/waiting rcS stop/waiting wait-for-state stop/waiting bootmisc.sh start/running flush-early-job-log stop/waiting gssd-mounting stop/waiting rc-sysinit stop/waiting cups start/running, process 1731 pulseaudio stop/waiting upstart-socket-bridge start/running, process 664 cryptdisks start/running mountdevsubfs.sh start/running tty2 start/running, process 833 udevtrigger stop/waiting upstart-file-bridge start/running, process 661 container-detect stop/waiting mounted-dev stop/waiting mtab.sh start/running tty3 start/running, process 834 udev-finish stop/waiting cryptdisks-udev stop/waiting hostname stop/waiting mountall-reboot stop/waiting gssd stop/waiting mountall-shell stop/waiting mounted-tmp stop/waiting network-interface (tun0) start/running network-interface (lo) start/running network-interface (eth0) start/running network-interface (wlan0) start/running plymouth-ready stop/waiting plymouth-splash stop/waiting plymouth-upstart-bridge stop/waiting portmap-wait stop/waiting tty1 start/running, process 1013 udevmonitor stop/waiting dmesg stop/waiting mountall-bootclean.sh start/running network-interface-security (network-interface/tun0) start/running network-interface-security (network-interface/eth0) start/running network-interface-security (network-interface/wlan0) start/running network-interface-security (network-interface/lo) start/running network-interface-security (networking) start/running networking start/running procps stop/waiting rfkill-restore stop/waiting tty6 start/running, process 836 console-font stop/waiting idmapd start/running, process 615 network-interface-container stop/waiting ureadahead stop/waiting
