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Hi Pete and All,
I can see that I need to make my admonition stronger and go into more
detail. NEVER! … use the E Meter during a session of TROM.
High TA is an indication of withholding ones self, one's
consciousness from the body through use of the body with energy and
force. (more mass and more force) It is the consciousness within
the body using the body as a shield from other things and the
environment.
A dead body will read a perfect TA of 2.0 or 3.0 depending on sex.
In a live body the TA must be accompanied by an F/N and good to very
good indicators to be in the best state. In TROM, there is no where
that one is using this technology and to superimpose it with TROM
technology is incorrect and wrong. TROM and auditing are two
different disciplines and they don't mix.
A lower or lowered TA can also be achieved by going exterior. Going
exterior to the body is not necessarily a good thing. A last ditch
effort to escape or avoid something can also be to exteriorize out of
the body and out of the physical universe altogether into a non
physical reality dream world. In auditing, the auditor is then
required to see what is occurring but not with TROM. They are
different technologies. They must not be mixed for they can mean
entirely different situations between the two technologies.
In Scn auditing, a read can be a fall to the right by the needle.
This phenomenon also produces a drop in TA. A long fall to the right
and a long fall to the right blow down will cause a major drop in
TA. That only means that a reading item has been hit. In auditing
the next step is to test for a false read if an F/N is not then
achieved. After that the action is to take a reading item to an F/
N. This is not done anywhere with or in TROM. Therefore you do not
use the meter during a session of TROM. You are really asking for
trouble.
For those with a Scn background, another major factor missing with
TROM vs. Scn is that there is no C/Sing going on either. Once again
these are two different technologies and CANNOT be mixed. By the
way, I also did C/Sing of cases while becoming a Class VI but did not
to the course to get certified.
At best an E Meter can be used purely as an indicator when a reading
of TA is taken before a TROM session and afterwards. It is only a
POSSIBLE indicator but in general will give some indication of true
TA if used over a period of time consistently. But that is only if
one knows about False TA and how to check for and remedy that.
That's why I say possibly and in general it can be of use but not
during a TROM session. A TA drop after a session is not conclusive
of anything. It must be over several sessions and time. One's
chronic TA, the TA over time and its improvement or non improvement
is the only conclusion that can be taken from using a meter with TROM.
On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
Thank you very much for your input on use of the e-meter in TROM.
I was hoping to hear what the experienced auditors on the list felt
about this and you stated that very thoroughly.
Now here is what I see working from the other end of the meter
experience spectrum. Dennis is not clear on what change is when it
comes to running RI. Without the certainty that Dennis and you had
from many hours of metered auditing I was floundering running RI.
When I started doing RI and doing timebreaking while holding the
solo cans of my Ability meter with automatic TA adjustment I had
instant feed back on when I was moving my attention off my bank (TA
rapidly falls) and when the process was working (TA counter started
counting up divisions of drop in TA).
When the TA stopped changing this verified that I was done with the
topic.
So from a beginners point of view an e-meter with automatic TA
adjustment is a real asset.
Thanks again for sharing your experienced point of view.
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Pete,
Sorry for the delay in getting this answer back. I wanted to be
sure I covered what was necessary and that my answer was complete
and yet brief.
I would not advise using the meter to run a TimeBreaking session
to see what reads or what is a bigger item. The reasons are,
verifying a read, handling a false read, mid-session ruds, Green
Sheet and C/S 53 repairs may need to be done, unless one is an
experienced (hundreds of hours) Class VI auditor and can run all
of the repair lists, one is asking for trouble with no way out.
I will say that one can use a meter at the beginning of
TimeBreaking or RI to get a reference and then again at the end of
TimeBreaking and RI to get an idea of how much negative & positive
mind phenomena one has handled. And then one needs to know how to
handle high TA and false TA and whether or not the TA is false or
truly high. But then what is the point. How much TA drop is
enough or sufficient, there is no gauge for that. Regardless of
what the TA and the needle show at the end of TimeBreaking, how
can that be quantified. There are no standards. One's gut feel
at the end of TimeBreaking is just as good as 'the meter shows an
improvement'. All that can be said is that one's outlook and
emotion has improved but one should know that anyway. It's quite
easy for one to know if they are happy, sad, angry or depressed
without a meter.
Attention on the meter during TimeBreaking when attention should
be on your mind and what you are thinking can also be a
distraction and cause no gain to be produced as well as leave one
in a bad mood.
In a more recent post you mentioned that you determined that an
objective RI was more effective by use of the meter. This is a
valid conclusion and as such a very good application in
determining which RI process is best for you. But I suggest, that
one needs to learn how to assess how they feel without any
external tests. In the long run, one's assessment of how things
went and how well things are is going to be the ultimate
assessment. How many times will one invalidate or question the
meter later on and ruin all of one's gains and achievements when
one could also just say, I felt really good after that session.
I don't want to totally rule out using the meter but one needs to
eventually get past using it at all. That is a much better state
of things than needing a meter. It can be used as an indicator to
a slight degree but one has to cultivate their ability to know
rather than be told. Being told holds the least truth for one.
One has to know and tell himself the truth. Only then has one
seen truth that one can count on and not waiver on in the future.
We have all been there before.
As a seasoned Class VI myself with hundreds of hours of auditing,
I never used my meter for RI or TimeBreaking. I'm also Solo
trained and with that noticed that I was creating the physical
reality and would know things before the meter duplicated what I
already knew to be a fact and true. That was a major
accomplishment and win for me and it became one of the reasons for
leaving Scn for I had transcended meter auditing. At that point I
knew beyond what a meter or an auditor could assess about me and
tell me. After all, I was the one creating and doing it. I can
at any time produce a meter read at will. I have demonstrated
that for myself and then demonstrated it for others to see.
Especially in meter training classes. So beyond all of Scn I knew
and can know at will and this is a given for all. I'm sure you
can imagine what that meant for me and how I then looked at any
kind of 'someone telling me' what I was doing in the physical
universe. This may possibly give you an idea as to why I do
transcendental meditation now.
I'm exploring and discovering more and more how I operate in the
physical universe and expanding those capabilities. We, one and
all have that adventure in store for us. There is a whole new
world beyond TROM awaiting all.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
Here are two quotes from the TROM manual.
"I ran step two absolutely flat and achieved much more case gain
--- serenity, enormous mental calmness. (I can become completely
and utterly calm at a moment's notice). At this point, I
abandoned the use of the meter, because my own sense of what was
happening in my mind was equal to what the E-meter could tell me.
I would know before the meter gave it's read, look at it, realize
what the read was, spot it, and the read would go off the meter."
The Skin Galvanometer
"If you possess such a device, and know how to use it, then it
can assist you to determine when an exercise is no longer
producing change. The meter no longer registers significant change.
However, the device is by no means essential, for a being is
entirely capable of relying upon his own estimation of change.
Even if you do use a skin-galvanometer you will soon outstrip its
usefulness, and will find it registering no change even though
your senses clearly tell you that change is occurring. Thus, in
the final instance, you are thrown back upon your own perception
of these things.
However, if you do use a skin-galvanometer to help you early on,
then abide by what it tells you. If you know how to use it, the
device will not let you down. Early on, the device is more
sensitive than your perception; later, your perception is more
sensitive than the device."
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Paul Tipon
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Pete,
Comments below.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
What I am trying to determine is in a single auditing session
should I expect that RI when run to no more change will end in
a normal TA and FN?
That is not a given for there is no auditor with the purpose to
get a reading item and take it to TA blow down and F/N. It
certainly can happen tough. But if you don't get it, don't
worry. There is no one there to go earlier similar or has a
withhold been missed. Don't try this on your own because you
have no way to test for earlier similars or W/H's you could wind
yourself up into a higher TA and a stuck needle.
If this is correct then in my solo session I should run RI to
TA 3.0 and FN before starting the level I am working on.
With TROM it is not a necessity to get yourself in session for
you are not giving commands and looking for reads and doing a
standard auditing proceedure. Just stick with the TimeBreaking.
In the little Scientology auditing I did the practice was to
run rudes to FN followed by the next action ordered by the C/S.
Again, this is for the auditor to be able to know that the PC is
in session and metering can occur. After a TimeBreaking session
you can use a meter to check the TA and needle action but
TimeBreaking is not metered action.
Since Dennis says that if the PC has a meter he can run level 2
and 3 on the meter and abide by what it shows it would be good
to put up some information on the list showing what a meter
will indicate as RI and Timebreak are done in session.
If you can point me to where Dennis says that, I will review
it. I am Solo trained too but don't recall this information
from Dennis. I have a meter but didn't use it at all on any of
the Levels.
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Paul Tipon
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Pete,
Answer below.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be
at normal for the sex of the individual. That the person
will be exterior and ready to do the next session action?
That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted
on. The reason being that RI does not address the mind and
it's compulsions directly but it does free up one's free will
which can be an over-riding action to the mind but it does not
directly handle a compulsive action item of the mind. So a
compulsive action of the mind still has the opportunity to
come into play in the future under the right conditions. Ri
can be a remedy to a recurring compulsion but it will not undo
that compulsion permanently.
Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The
permanent fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4.
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Richard and All,
My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:
My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a
while. In my experience starting off with RI's always
creates a rising tone arm up to the point of a blowdown.
I've assumed the starvation for mass has been satisfied at
that point. But the tone arm is frequently still out of
range so I use a reach and withdraw or various rubbing to
handle the residual mass buildup. The end result is always
an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I always start the chart
with an in range TA.
Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the
body or objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This
is an indication of being interiorized. Things that can
lead to interiorization are overts , withholds. basically
fear, anger, etc. High TA is a physical phenomenon. In
auditing, it is difficult to audit over a high TA. The
reason being that one has interiorized and is not there, not
in session with his body. So an auditor giving a session
has to get the PC reading on the meter or results will be
very hard to come by. The reason is that the PC is not able
to produce good meter readings because of the high TA.
High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is
not closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only
are reads very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even
be seen with a meter. Because of this, not only are reads
hard to come by if at all but any kind of needle movement
has to be suspect as if may or may not be a reaction to the
auditing question.
So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing,
touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in
tune with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the
Thetan. Now if you are using the meter to meter what the
mind and the Thetan, consciousness are doing, it can be seen
on the needle movement.
I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of
TROM, the TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for
males and 2.0 range for females. Meaning that no particular
actions are necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has
now eliminated those reasons in the mind to back away and
withhold.
Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action
is not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM
actions. It is purely a physical body thing that is
necessary for reliable readings on a meter for an auditor to
assess what the PC is doing with the auditing question.
TROM is not audited action.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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