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What I am trying to determine is in a single auditing session should I expect that RI when run to no more change will end in a normal TA and FN? If this is correct then in my solo session I should run RI to TA 3.0 and FN before starting the level I am working on. In the little Scientology auditing I did the practice was to run rudes to FN followed by the next action ordered by the C/S. Since Dennis says that if the PC has a meter he can run level 2 and 3 on the meter and abide by what it shows it would be good to put up some information on the list showing what a meter will indicate as RI and Timebreak are done in session. Sincerely Pete Sent from my iPad > On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Pete, > > Answer below. > > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul > >> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote: >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> Hi Paul >> >> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at normal for >> the sex of the individual. That the person will be exterior and ready to do >> the next session action? > > That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted on. The reason > being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions directly but it > does free up one's free will which can be an over-riding action to the mind > but it does not directly handle a compulsive action item of the mind. So a > compulsive action of the mind still has the opportunity to come into play in > the future under the right conditions. Ri can be a remedy to a recurring > compulsion but it will not undo that compulsion permanently. > > Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The permanent fix is > Levels 2, 3 and 4. >> >> Sincerely >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> Hi Richard and All, >>> >>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor. >>> >>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while. In my >>>> experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising tone arm up to >>>> the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the starvation for mass has been >>>> satisfied at that point. But the tone arm is frequently still out of range >>>> so I use a reach and withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual >>>> mass buildup. The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. >>>> I always start the chart with an in range TA. >>> >>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or objects >>>> so dramatically drops the tone arm? >>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This is an >>> indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead to interiorization >>> are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger, etc. High TA is a physical >>> phenomenon. In auditing, it is difficult to audit over a high TA. The >>> reason being that one has interiorized and is not there, not in session >>> with his body. So an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on >>> the meter or results will be very hard to come by. The reason is that the >>> PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA. >>> >>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not closely in >>> tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads very hard to come by >>> but in most cases cannot even be seen with a meter. Because of this, not >>> only are reads hard to come by if at all but any kind of needle movement >>> has to be suspect as if may or may not be a reaction to the auditing >>> question. >>> >>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing, touching, hand >>> cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune with the consciousness, >>> the soul, the spirit, the Thetan. Now if you are using the meter to meter >>> what the mind and the Thetan, consciousness are doing, it can be seen on >>> the needle movement. >>> >>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the TA >>> (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0 range for >>> females. Meaning that no particular actions are necessary to bring the TA >>> down for the PC has now eliminated those reasons in the mind to back away >>> and withhold. >>> >>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is not a >>> necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions. It is purely a >>> physical body thing that is necessary for reliable readings on a meter for >>> an auditor to assess what the PC is doing with the auditing question. TROM >>> is not audited action. >>> >>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
