Last December, being new to the group, DaveH posted that he wanted to learn how Protestants view the Trinity. He came across as genuine to me. I took his bait, and responded with a treatise on how Protestants view the trinity.
I was shocked to discover that his response was not one of someone who had just learned something that he had said he wanted to learn, or asked questions about parts he may not have understood. It was a full-on rebuttal from the LDS perspective of what I had written.
I fault myself for falling for the ploy. In my zeal as a newbie to be able to explain the Trinity to someone who seemed to genuinely want to learn I overlooked the statement that DaveH made that should have tipped me off. He said that he had been asking this question for three years, and no one had been able to explain it to him yet. Well, if he hasn't learned it in three years, he does not want to learn it. He only wants to argue about it.
Perry
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism? Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:01:27 -0500
Perry, Congratulations; you have finally figured out what I figured out LONG
ago! You are quicker than most! Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism?
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>DAVEH: I have repeatedly explained why I am on TT, Perry. Do you not
>remember? I am here to learn what Protestants believe and why they believe
>that way. Do you have a problem with that?
Well, yes I do. And the problem I have is that the first time I communicated
with you on TT, I took your bait and discovered that you were not at all
interested in learning what protestants believe as you state. When someone
describes to you what a protestant believes, usually at your request to do
so, you never respond as though you have learned anything at all about what
protestants believe, but only respond with a rebuttal, and why you believe
it is false, and why protestants are wrong, and the LDS are right. If you
truly wanted to learn, I would expect to hear something from you like "Oh,so
that's why Protestants believe that way" instead of something like, "Now,
here is why that is wrong...". I have never heard anything like the former,
only like the latter.
Hey, it is great that you have a strong faith, but at least examine your
motives and be honest about them. You do not really want to know what
protestants believe. If you do, it is not to learn...it is to try to prove
them wrong. I repeat, I have yet to see you indicate in any way that you
have learned what you say you want to learn, and have seen only rebuttals to
the way protestants believe. Maybe you can't (or don't want) to see it, but
I'll bet (figuratively) that others on this forum can see it as well. (Most
are just more polite than I am about it!)
>DAVEH: LOL.......Well Perry, you may think they are "prooftexts", but from
>my perspective you are lacking perspective. For example, you seem to think
>we practice baptism for the dead because we have prooftexted 1Cor 15:29.
>Nothing can be further from the truth. In reality, we practice it because
>of latter-day revelation. It is your lack of perspective that gives you
>the perception that we prooftext such passages. The same applies to many
>other doctrines. We believe the Lord has revealed much more of his Gospel,
>which makes it easier to understand that which was previously revealed. I
>realize you don't accept that, but it explains why we view things a bit
>differently and why (from your limited perspective) you think we sometimes
>prooftext.
Yes, David, I lack the perspective of the extra-biblical works that the LDS
use. And, that is because I do not accept them as works revealed by God.
Keep in mind that I do not question whether or not they are revealed
works...I question by whom they were revealed!
Consider that if you are basing your opinions on extra-biblical texts, and
trying to prove them with a single, weak, and stretched verse from the
Bible, it will appear, from a purely Biblical perspective, that you are
prooftexting.
Now, from my perspective, which is based on the Bible, and not on
extra-biblical works, you definitely are prooftexting. The Bible verses that
you quote to support LDS heresies are nothing more than verses you twist to
support your extra-biblical LDS doctrine. They are taken out of context,
twisted to mean something other than what they say, and then flaunted as
proof of the heresy. I have read some of LDS's apologists on these topics
(Noel Reynolds, Hugh Nibley), and I am amazed at the extent these supposedly
wise and learned men will go to make a biblical text fit the LDS mold.
Now, if you want credibility, quote your LDS extra-biblical works to make
your point. Although I will not accept them as proof of anything at all, but
at least I will understand why you have to twist the Biblical texts so
badly. For that I would respect you much more than for trying to get the
Bible alone to support LDS fairytales. It just doesn't, and you can't make
it. Hugh Nibley and Noel Reynolds can't, either. In fact, JS couldn't
either. That is why he had to come up with some extra-biblical heretical
works.
Perry
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