DAVEH:� Note......I changed the subject line to more accurately reflect the nature of this discussion.
Charles Perry Locke wrote: > >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >DAVEH:� I have repeatedly explained why I am on TT, Perry.� Do you not > >remember?� I am here to learn what Protestants believe and why they believe > >that way.� Do you have a problem with that? > > Well, yes I do. And the problem I have is that the first time I communicated > with you on TT, I took your bait and discovered that you were not at all > interested in learning what protestants believe as you state. When someone > describes to you what a protestant believes, usually at your request to do > so, you never respond as though you have learned anything at all about what > protestants believe, but only respond with a rebuttal, DAVEH:�� Hmmmmmm.......you just want me to accept what you say at face value without any discussion or argument if I think your comment lacks credibility? > and why you believe > it is false, and why protestants are wrong, and the LDS are right. DAVEH:� Do you think I'm preaching on TT?� From my perspective, I thought it was OK to offer my contrasting opinions and beliefs when discussing topics. > If you > truly wanted to learn, DAVEH:� I think I've learned a lot from TTers. > I would expect to hear something from you like "Oh,so > that's why Protestants believe that way" instead of something like, "Now, > here is why that is wrong...". I have never heard anything like the former, > only like the latter. DAVEH:�� I thought this forum was for interactive discussions.� If you are right, perhaps I'm wrong . > Hey, it is great that you have a strong faith, > but at least examine your > motives and be honest about them. DAVEH:�� Just what do you think my motives are, Perry?� Do you think I'm trying to convert TTers to Mormonism?� Not that I would not be happy if you joined the LDS Church, but I'm not here for that purpose.� Amongst my LDS friends I have a biased view of what Protestants believe and why they believe that way.� Here I can avoid those biases and see you for what you are.� Chatting with TTers in an open forum like this gives me a good feel for what kind of people make up Protestantism, even though it is a small sampling that is skewed in a radical sense. ��� When I ask a question and receive a response that is at odds with my personal beliefs, I usually offer a contrasting (LDS biased) viewpoint.� I try to do so in a respectful manner so as not influence the answer by introducing personal emotions.� It is the replies I get in return that teach me a lot about what and how others believe.� That alone teaches me more about Protestantism than you might imagine. > You do not really want to know what > protestants believe. DAVEH:� Believe what you want, Perry......I know why I am here. > If you do, it is not to learn...it is to try to prove > them wrong. DAVEH:� Is there a better way to learn? > I repeat, I have yet to see you indicate in any way that you > have learned what you say you want to learn, DAVEH:� You've taught me a lot, Perry......though it may not be what you wanted me to learn. > and have seen only rebuttals to > the way protestants believe. DAVEH:� I give up, Perry......what is wrong with that?� Do you think I came to TT to agree with or to join Protestantism??? > Maybe you can't (or don't want) to see it, but > I'll bet (figuratively) that others on this forum can see it as well. (Most > are just more polite than I am about it!) DAVEH:� Try hard, Perry......you too can be respectfully polite if you wish. > >DAVEH:� LOL.......Well Perry, you may think they are "prooftexts", but from > >my perspective you are lacking perspective.� For example, you seem to think > >we practice baptism for the dead because we have prooftexted 1Cor 15:29. > >Nothing can be further from the truth.� In reality, we practice it because > >of latter-day revelation.� It is your lack of perspective that gives you > >the perception that we prooftext such passages.� The same applies to many > >other doctrines.� We believe the Lord has revealed much more of his Gospel, > >which makes it easier to understand that which was previously revealed.� I > >realize you don't accept that, but it explains why we view things a bit > >differently and why (from your limited perspective) you think we sometimes > >prooftext. > > Yes, David, I lack the perspective of the extra-biblical works that the LDS > use. And, that is because I do not accept them as works revealed by God. DAVEH:� I understand that, which is why I don't preach them to you and other TTers. > Keep in mind that I do not question whether or not they are revealed > works...I question by whom they were revealed! DAVEH:� A lot of the Lord's prophets were rejected, so I understand that too. > Consider that if you are basing your opinions on extra-biblical texts, and > trying to prove them with a single, weak, and stretched verse from the > Bible, it will appear, from a purely Biblical perspective, that you are > prooftexting. DAVEH:� This is where you are losing me, Perry.� What have I tried to prove from "a single, weak, and stretched verse"?� You've mentioned before (in respect to prooftexting) that I've tried to prove baptism for the dead, but I have asked you to quote when I've done that and as of yet you have not quoted me doing such.� As I told you, we would still practice it even if it hadn't been mentioned in the Bible, since we have latter-day revelations that direct us to practice it.� Nor have I used 1Cor 15:29 to suggest that Protestants be baptizing for the dead.� So Perry......how have I prooftexted vs 29? > Now, from my perspective, which is based on the Bible, and not on > extra-biblical works, you definitely are prooftexting. DAVEH:� Perhaps that's the problem.� You may consider prooftexting simply relevant to the Bible, whereas I consider it relevant to the words of God whether they be in the Bible or elsewhere. > The Bible verses that > you quote to support LDS heresies > are nothing more than verses you twist to > support your extra-biblical LDS doctrine. DAVEH:�� Again........how have I used vs 29 to support LDS doctrine?� Please quote me. > They are taken out of context, > twisted to mean something other than what they say, and then flaunted as > proof of the heresy. DAVEH:� If you want to accuse me, then at least please quote me. > I have read some of LDS's apologists on these topics > (Noel Reynolds, Hugh Nibley), and I am amazed at the extent these supposedly > wise and learned men will go to make a biblical text fit the LDS mold. > > Now, if you want credibility, quote your LDS extra-biblical works to make > your point. DAVEH:�� And irritate you or other TTers....?!?!?!?!�� I do that enough without quoting latter-day Scripture. > Although I will not accept them as proof of anything at all, > but at least I will understand why you have to twist the Biblical texts so > badly. DAVEH:� A few sentences ago you claimed to have read a couple LDS apologists comments on this matter.� Now you want me to quote the same material so you "will understand why you have to twist the Biblical texts so badly"?� If you did not understand Nibley, I doubt that you'll understand me, Perry. > For that I would respect you much more than for trying to get the > Bible alone to support LDS fairytales. It just doesn't, and you can't make > it. Hugh Nibley and Noel Reynolds can't, either. In fact, JS couldn't > either. That is why he had to come up with some extra-biblical heretical > works. DAVEH:�� Perry......Let me borrow a quote from a friend........ "........but at least examine your motives and be honest about them. 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