From: "Carrolll Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Original Message] jt: OK, I see why you need to talk about the wrath of God against the unrighteousness of men but still believe that a homosexual can come just as they are - they can not stay just as they are, and neither can any of the rest of us.
Dean writes: In the OT under the sacrificial system when one brought his sacrifice once a year to atone for the sins of that year-God requires that person to examine his heart and remember his wrongs committed-then that person was to have remorse for those wrongs and God who looks at the heart would be just to forgive that person Only if a person came with remorse(willing to repent) could they come "Just as they are".I fail to see where this is explained by the "come just as they are" people. jt: But that whole system was done away with at the cross. Now we come to another sacrifice the Lord Jesus Christ and yes, we should come with the understanding that change is necessary but we have no power in and of ourselves to change until we receive the indwelling Spirit and the baptism of power from on high. Even then we are not overcomers overnight. Salvation is a walk of grace. We sing "Come just as you to worship" don't we? Dean: I could tell a sodomite that God loves them and it would be a lie. jt: No it would be the truth. Jesus died for sodomites, every one of them. Of course they will need to change, but then so do the rest of us. Sodomy is sin but so is anger, fear, covetousness, and all the sins of the flesh named in Gal 5:19 and people who do all those things don't inherit God's Kingdom either. While we were yet sinners Christ died for us, we can't comprehend such love. Dean writes: Yes -I agree that Jesus died for the whole world-while we were yet sinners-but one cannot remain in that state-At the moment before professing Jesus Christ one must stop that sin-due to God saying it is wrong-and then doing every thing within their ability too continue in righteousness. Which means right by God's laws by definition. jt: We must be WILLING to change when we come. Look at all the ppl Jesus healed and afterward said to them "Go and sin no more" It's my belief that we should have the same attitude and minister the same way to those in reprehensible sin today. We forgive them and whether or not they do business with God is between them and God. 1Cor.6:11 And such were some of you... They are no more in sin-they have repented. Luke 17:3 .., and if he repent,forgive him. Mark 1:5...repent ye and believe the Gospel. Acts 2:38.. Repent and be baptized. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore and be converted. Acts 8;22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness,and pray God... Acts 17:30..now commandeth all men,every where to repent. Acts 26:20..that they should repent and turn to God. jt: Amen to all of the above. Dean: See my Sister- repentance comes first. jt: Yes, repentance meaning a willingness to turn and go the other way but sometimes a complete reversal takes a little time and God was patient and long suffering with us. Dean writes: Angry is not sin "Be angry and sin not" (Eph 4:26)-but can lead to sin. jt: It's a work of the flesh along with fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, emnities, strife, jealousy, quarrels, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkennessl, carousing etc. People who live there can't inherit the Kingdom. Dean writes: Acting wrongly with anger is indeed sin-but we have a right to be angry at sin. jt: Anger is a spirit who is not our friend. We don't need to be angry at our own sin or the sin of others, we need to stop it and encourage them to also. I don't read the scriptures that refer to anger as validating it because the scriptures don't contradict themselves and Gal 5:19 tells us we needs to stop yeilding to it. Just like with slavery, God does not validate it but the NT addresses it because it was part of that culture in that time. Grace and Peace, Judy ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
