[TruthTalk] Just the BIBLE Dave

[jandgtaylor1]

From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 

Judy: Who was it requesting songs from the Mormon virgins

outside the temple in Salt Lake City?  They could have asked

questions couldn't they.  Also when the Missionaries come

around they are young and as someone said 'wet behind the

ears' Why not bind that old lying spirit and talk some truth

to them? We don't do it because we are afraid of evil and this is sin.

 

Kevin: I never let a Mormon missionary pass me by, without a long

dialog. I have talked to hundreds if not thousands of LDS missionaries.

I always end with a SHARP Rebuke for them since they subvert

whole houses. SHAME on them! SHAME on you MORMONS!

 

Judy: Good for you Kevin...

 

Kevin: They still come back with more questions after they

are able to digest the last gulp.

 

Judy: Digest? Do you really believe that they understand and

are able to digest what you tell them or are they busy thinking

about how they have been taught to respond to Protestants?

I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't DaveH's project.

 

Kevin: I only contend that if you just close the door, when

they come knocking, or pass them by on the street. You show

NO LOVE, not one bit!

 

Judy: Why Kevin?  Jesus wasn't compelled to minister to

every single person he encountered in his lifetime, so why

should we?  Is this being led by the Spirit or driven by

doctrine?

 

Kevin: The average christian nowadays witnesses to few

if any Lost persons. And even less CULT members. Possibly

because they feel ill equiped.

 

Judy: Probably so and this is really sad. If the average

christian were walking in the Spirit and doing the works

of Jesus, ppl would be drawn to them as they were to him.

 

Kevin: 1 Co 15 Paul said Awake to righteousness and SIN

not for some have not the knowledge of God I speak this

to your shame - SHAME ON YOU CHRISTIANS!

 

Judy: O' Kevin, here we go again with the rebukes and

condemnation.  Why not leave that ministry to the powers

of darkness.  They are good at it.  Let us speak blessing

to God's ppl and encourage them.

 

 

 

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

DAVEH:  OK, Dean......if not my remarks, what does

make you so angry (sounding)?

 

Dean writes 12/17

In all honesty DaveH-When I see the brethren

interacting with you as one of their own-without any

caution for the spirit that drives you-this angers me.

 

Judy: Dean you are assuming there is 'no caution' I am aware

that DaveH is a Mormon, he makes no secret of the fact. I am

also aware of some of what this system teaches and have said

it is 'another gospel with a false Christ' However, why should 

we be afraid of the false?

 

Dean writes 12/17 #

 #Judy where in the Bible does it tell us to have a close

relationship with the ungodly?

 

Judy: I would hardly call interaction on an internet list a "close

relationship" or interaction in the marketplace either for that

matter.

 

Dean: The Bible is clear 1 John 3:8. He that commith sin

is of the Devil...

 

Judy: The Mormons don't have a monopoly on sin Dean.

Anger is sin and so is fear. Can any of us say that we are

without sin and be telling the truth?  We should be growing in

righteousness and sinning less but lets not throw stones.

 

#1.God said "Be angry sin not Eph 4:26"-God himself has

gotten angry many times-are you suggesting he sins?

 

Judy: We are not God and we are trying to tell the Mormons

they they are not god. God's anger is righteous as was the anger

of Jesus when he cleansed the Temple, most of the time we

are angry because someone has hurt our feelings by

touching one of our idols - and yes our doctrine can be an

idol.  Remember Jesus also wept over Jerusalem.

 

 

2. Jesus said to fear God Romans 11:20,2 Cor 7:1-so fear is not sin.

 

Judy: There are 14 different kinds of fear in scripture and of course

the fear of God is not sin but this is different from an evil heart of

unbelief and fear of evil. John tells us that fear has torment and a

person in fear has not had his heart perfected in love. (1 John 2:5;

1 John 4:12-18)

 

 

3. Can a person that just God saved not turn to the church and

say I have no sin upon me? I have broken no commandments

today-so I have not sinned today-and with Gods help I will not sin

tomarrow-I have removed the beam (sin) from my eye and now

am seeking to help others remove theirs.

 

Judy: Maybe for the rest of that day but let's be real Dean. We

have been raised in sin and we don't have a purified heart and a

renewed mind overnight. We are not conformed to the image of

Christ after one prayer.  Salvation is an ongoing work of grace in

the life of the believer with many trips to the throne of grace to ask

for help and forgiveness in time of need; but this shouldn't stop us

from witnessing to others - so long as we do it in the right spirit.

 

Dean: To promote JS and his teachings is sin -for those

teaching are against the clear words of Christ-Hence you

are of the Devil. If you are honestly searching as you claim

then you would have listened to our teaching to some extent -

that are proven by the Bible-but you have not-and still

promote JS after about appx. 5 yrs of being here.

 

Judy: I've not yet seen DaveH promote Joseph Smith's

teachings on TT, in fact I've seen more chapter and verse

written by the street preachers.  DH has said plainly that he

is more interested in what motivates us than how we believe

If we want to persuade him that we have the "more

excellent way" we will have to do a less accusing and be a bit

more civil.

 

# Then why does Terry say he has learned much from DaveH?

I am not seeking to convert DaveH. Your type of civilness will be

your downfall in you are not careful.

 

Judy: I understand Terry to be saying that he has learned about

DaveH's personal lifestyle or something like that, he can't have

learned Mormon doctrine on this list.

 

Dean: To me this proves you are completely controlled

by an "unsavory spirit" and are among our younger brethren.

How would you feel if I were allowed to spend time among

the young Mormons-teaching as I do -saying what I say?

 

Judy: Who was it requesting songs from the Mormon virgins

outside the temple in Salt Lake City?  They could have asked

questions couldn't they.  Also when the Missionaries come around

they are young and as someone said 'wet behind the ears' Why

not bind that old lying spirit and talk some truth to them? We

don't do it because we are afraid of evil and this is sin.

 

 #The difference is Judy -I am offering truth-not a lie from the

Devil-DaveH ask me what angered me-I was giving him an

example he could relate to. I am absolutely amazed at you

doctrine.

 

Judy: I know Dean and I believe you are sincere and well-meaning

but none of us have all of the truth, we all err in different areas don't

we?  Who do you know that has the whole loaf?

 

Dean: And then when you come in to instruct what

you perceive as truth-The young Mormons declare:

" No we love Dean let him stay for we are learning much

from him" which prove the teaching are taking effect.

Assume you can prove beyond any doubt that you have

the truth and my teaching would lead the young Mormons

to suffer greatly in hell-for all eternity. Yet the principle

of the school fails to listen (because he believes he has

it all under control-and enjoys the attention my teaching

create) and so do the children-who are unable to see the

danger.

 

Judy: You don't have much confidence in the Holy Spirit working

in the life of a young believer do you Dean? Look at the situation

in the book of Acts where the apostles in Jerusalem were asked

to send advice to new believers living in a totally pagan society

(Acts 15:28,29).

 

#And you fail to see the devil in the world and not seeing he will

snare you-these warnings are all thru the Bible-OT and NT-ask

yourself why are they there ? As for my confidence in the Holy

Spirit-you could understand it if I were to try and explain it -so I won't.

 

Judy: OK Dean, keep your truth to yourself.  But I didn't pop into

the Kingdom yesterday, I've been around for a while and am

aware of what the devil is about.  If you would only do things

God's way you would really put a hurting on him.

 

Dean: Would you be concerned for the children-would

you be angry with me? Would you fight hard for those

children-Would you attempt to expose that Principle to the

Mormon elders-for the sake of the Children?

 

Judy: How can you preach in the street and go off and leave

new converts if you are this concerned for them?

 

# When we make (rather Jesus makes then) new converts-we

send them to a local church-to be taken care of-till they grow-but

still the fellowship is there even then.

 

Dean: Remember Judy stated to me that the Mormons way

was better then the Preacher's way of promoting the Gospel

( Mormons promote the Gospel of the Christ of the Bible?-

not so). DavidM remarked earlier that Judy listened to the

Mormons more than to him.

 

Judy: I must be hallucinating because I don't remember ever

saying what you have quoted above Dean - can you tell me

where/when I said this?  Neither do I remember DavidM's

remark.  Did you say this DavidM?

 

# Judy you stated that going from door to door -as the

Mormons do-was better then preaching-I then informed you

that God chose the foolishness of preaching to save that

which was lost.

 

Judy: Oh I see - What I said was not preaching vs Mormonism

It was being invited into someone's home to preach/share as

the Mormons do vs assaulting ppl's ear drums at their own

gatherings, on the street outside their meeting places, or in the

marketplace.

 

Dean: Yet you are allowed to continue on-even smiling

at me asking "Are you getting angry Dean :-) And Judy

said that I should love you also.

 

Judy: Judy didn't say this Dean.  Jesus commands it.

 

# You are a liar Judy-Jesus never commanded me to love

DaveH or any other worker of iniquity-Repent!

 

Judy: You should spend more time studying your Bible Dean

because Jesus Himself said: "But I say to you, love your enemies,

bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and

pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that

you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His

sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the

just and on the unjust. (Matt 5:44,45, Luke 6:48).  Yes we are

called to lay down our lives for DaveH and every other "worker

of iniquity"....

 

 

Dean: But DaveH I am really not angry at you for you will

do as you devil directs-similar to a puppet-I am angry at

the spirit that pulls you strings-and will fight harder at SLC

this year-and I am fustrated at the older brethren whom

should know better-which puts me in a difficult position

for I am commanded to love them also-so yes- I should

pray-as I know that I am correct in this-and will seek to

prove that-Lord willing . Gal 5:9  A little laven leaveneth

the whole lump.

 

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