Charles Perry Locke wrote:
>From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Actually, DaveH, the original post was a comment to David M on the topic...there really were no questions. However, if you feel compelled to respond to the original post, I look forward to reading it. I mentioned your name because of my slight recollection that we broached this topic some time ago. Maybe my memory is failing me, but I don't recall that I have ever gotten a reasonal rebuttal to the comments on polygamy from any LDS member on this.
The bottom line is that Joseph Smith delivered a command, supposedly from god, that anyone not practicing polygamy is damned.
DAVEH: As you know, we do not define terms (such as 'damned') in quite the same way, so trying to explain it in detail is going to be difficult. I'll just try to give you a brief glimpse of my thinking. I suspect you know some of the answers I'll give though.First......to me, 'damnation' is the impedance of eternal progression. So.....assuming your explanation of JS's comments is correct, not practicing polygamy in mortality impedes (slows, if you will) our progression. That does not mean that it is stopped forever though.
This command has never been revoked by God, so it still holds.
DAVEH: Who is arguing?
The church did make a statement indicating that polygamy would not be practiced,
DAVEH: I'm not quite sure you understand it quite correctly. Perhaps currently "practiced" in mortality might make a little more sense.
but this was because the government threatened to punish polygamists, not because a prophet received a new revelation from god un-doing it!
DAVEH: Perry......you went from asking me questions......to.....telling me what happened. Believe what you want, as whatever I say is not going to change your mind. But, if you want to know what I believe, then refrain from telling me the answers you want to hear.
So, polygamous LDS are breaking the laws of the land, and non-polygamous LDS are damned, according to prophecy delivered by JS, and are breaking the laws of god. Again, no questions, just comments.
DAVEH: Without questions.......what can I say, other than.....I respectfully disagree, Perry.
I believe that if the government eased or removed laws prohibiting polygamous relationships, LDS would gladly continue to practice it without an further commandments from god since the original decree is still in effect.
DAVEH: Apparently you don't care to know how I reconcile this.
Perry
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:03:07 -0800
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>Charles Perry Locke wrote:
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> > DaveH,
> >
> > I recall that we have touched on this topic in the distant past,
> > DAVEH: I don't recall such......but frankly, I've been inundated by
> > so many posts, I've had to shelve hundreds of them due to lack of time
> > to respond. And.....this past summer was really a problem for me, as
> > I simply had too much on my plate for most of the summer to
> > participate in TT much. I've got a dozen responses started (some in
> > reply to you, I think) that are sitting in my DRAFTS folder because I
> > didn't have time to complete them.......I placed some of them there
> > last year!
> > but my present comment was to indicate that you won't touch it today,
> > not in the past. I have asked more than one LDS member about this in
> > the past, and none have ever had a reasonable rebuttal.
> > DAVEH: OK Perry. Why don't you frame it in a simple question and
> > I'll try to respond. Your original comment (that I responded to
> > below) seemed to be rhetorical rambling, so I didn't feel compelled to
> > say much more about it than I did. Clean it up a bit and start a new
> > thread and I'll try to travel the path where you say other LDS folks
> > fear to tread.....! :-)
> >
> > (But......please don't bury me with a bunch of garbage. I don't mind
> > having a nice ----may I suggest, respectful?--- discussion, but I
> > don't want to jump into the muck with you.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Perry
> > >From: Dave
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave
> > >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:12:39 -0800
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> > >
> > > > DaveM, I do not think the official doctrine of the LDS church is
> > > > against polygamy...in the D&C the Mormon god says that any man who
> >
> > > > does not practice polygamy is damned...and the mormon god never
> > > > revoked that command. They do not practice polygamy (at least
> > mopst
> > > > don't) today simply because it is against the US law, and they
> > > > realized that if they continued in polygamy that the US Gov would
> > come
> > > > down on them...so, they violate their own law of god, and they are
> >
> > > > placing man's law above god's law. This is a telling inconsistency
> > in
> > > > the LDS system, one of many against which LDS members are blinded.
> >
> > > > DavidH won't touch this one.
> > > > DAVEH: ???? I do not recall ever discussing this.........When
> > did
> > > > you ask, Perry???? You've certainly posted more than I can
> > respond
> > > > to, so perhaps I've overlooked it.
> > > > He has no logical explanation.
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