Blaine wrote: I think it can safely be assumed the Lord meant to bless Joseph Smith with all things promised, but when one is murdered, does this not take matters out of the hands of the Lord? I realize this is a philosophical question, one that may not be answerable in light of scripture. However, murder is such a violent act, that some have conjectured if you die before your time by the hands of an enemy, you are deprived of the right to repent, and consequently the murderer takes upon himself responsibility for the murderee's sins, or, in the case of Joseph Smith, for his not receiving blessings intended for him. In one instance when Joseph Smith was praying about when the Saviour might appear in his power and glory, the Lord told him that IF he lived to be such and such an age (looked for this passage, but could not find it), he would see the face of the Saviour. This indicated that either the Lord knew when JS would die, and didn't want to upset him by telling him he would eventually be murdered, or the Lord
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:32:16 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > God PROMISED him things IN THIS WORLD > Yet, It was Emma that survived and was blessed. > She even lived to see her grandkids. Joe was not long for this > world. > > verse 55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my > servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I > will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in > this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and > lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the > eternal worlds. > > Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Miller wrote: Michael D wrote: > > Dave H, You asked me earlier when I said J Smith was > > proven to be a false prophet in the past on TT, what > > was the occasion of the false prophecy. Well, it has > > been posted on TT (Thanx David) for some time now. > > My question is do you see this prophecy and its > > non-fulfilment as evidence that Joseph Smith uttered > > a false prophecy? I would appreciate a direct answer > > if possible (yes or no). If 'no', what is your reason? > Ditto to Michael's question. I would like to see answers from both > Blaine and DaveH about the D&C 132:53-55 ff passage concerning Joe's > > wife being destroyed and J.S. being blessed with wives in this life. > DAVEH: It seems to me we discussed this previously, DavidM. I'm > not very knowledgeable about this stuff, nor am I particularly > motivated by some TTers' demands to answer every single question put > to me......so I've put answering it low on my priority list. > I took a look at vs 55, and to me it is obvious that the > promises made by the Lord to JS were related to the spirit world. > As I think I've explain before, JS was sealed to many people > (wives), and in the process the eternal family expands in an LDS > sense. That may not make sense to most Protestant biased folks, but > in the LDS realm there is a connection of family relationships that > can be sealed in this life that will transcend death and remain in > the next life. I see this passage as being related to that. > While writing this, I did a search through the old posts and > found my original response (July 1, 2002) to your question...... > ============== > +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > I would like some feedback about what I have posted from Doctrine > and > Covenants 132. I did not dig this up from some book or Anti-Mormon > literature. The view here is completely original with me and came > about > by my reading of these writings. This is the second time I have > brought > this passage up, and both times my comments seem to be ignored. > +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > .......Sorry for my tardiness, DavidM. Last night I got to this > point > before I packed it in. Now I'll try to address your thoughts > regarding DC 132. > > In your Scriptures, I have read the following: > > > > "... I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler > over many > > things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from > henceforth > > I will strengthen him. And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, > to > > abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if > she > > will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the > Lord; > > for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not > in my > > law. But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my > servant > > Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will > bless him > > and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, > of > > fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives > and > > children..." (Doctrine & Covenants 132:53-55). > > > > Now this prophecy was recorded 11 months before his death. In > light of > > the fact that Joseph Smith died so soon after speaking this, I > consider > > it very clearly as a false prophecy. In the prophecy Joseph Smith > > > speaks about himself, that he will be made ruler over many things, > and > > that he would be strengthened by God. This was the time when he > > announced his candidacy for running for President of the United > States. > > There is no doubt in my mind that if Joseph Smith had run for > President > > and won, that this would have been brought forth as a true > prophecy > > predicting this event. The fact that he was killed instead, > therefore, > > causes me to conclude it as a false prophecy. > DAVEH: I don't view this in the same way as you, DavidM. As I've > mentioned before, the rewards we receive from the Lord are usually > viewed in an > eternal perspective. I think many Christians believe the same (or > at least > similar) in that many Saints will suffer in mortality, but find > their heavenly > rewards in the life to come. LDS theology certainly takes those > rewards to a > much higher level of understanding, however. I think most LDS folks > believe > JS's prophesied rewards were to come in heaven. > ============== Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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