DAVEH: I don't understand why that is so, DavidM. It is quite obvious
there are 3 persons/entities in the Godhead, just as there are 3
separate people in a family of two parents and a child. From what I've
observed, a lot of folks get hung up on the "oneness" of God. I don't see why that confuses people, because I believe John pretty well explained it in ch 17 to mean that their oneness implies a oneness of purpose.
there are 3 persons/entities in the Godhead, just as there are 3
separate people in a family of two parents and a child. From what I've
observed, a lot of folks get hung up on the "oneness" of God. I don't see why that confuses people, because I believe John pretty well explained it in ch 17 to mean that their oneness implies a oneness of purpose.
Another great example of ISOGESIS!
Nowhere does john say One in purpose You insert your PRIVATE INTERPRETATION by Reading INTO the verse. YOU MUST do this otherwise the BoM presents a insurmountable obstacle to Mormon Doctrine. See below>
THIS IS HOW YOU & other LDS READ JOHN 17 That they all may be one IN PURPOSE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one IN PURPOSE in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one IN PURPOSE, even as we are one IN PURPOSE: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one IN PURPOSE
If they are IN anything it is each other as CLEARLY stated in the scriptures JOHN 17 "Father IN me and I IN thee"
By the way the terms ONE in PURPOSE do Not appear in the Bom either!
http://scriptures.lds.org/bm/thrwtnss testimony 3 witnesses:
And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
It says: ONE GOD not 1 purpose!
Here we have the Classic TRINITARIAN formula
such as when TRUE Christians are baptized "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt 28:19).
Notice it says NAME (SINGULAR) not NAMES as we would expect if it was in agreement with LDS doctrine.
ONE GOD! Yet 3 in ONE
Mormon 7:7 unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God
verse 44 Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God
Moses 1:6 PGP there is NO God beside me
2Nephi 31:21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is ONE God, without end. Amen.
DC 20:28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are ONE God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.
FATHER SON & HOLY GHOST = ONE GOD!
FATHER SON & HOLY GHOST = ONE GOD!
Amen.
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Miller wrote:
> DaveH wrote:
> > I would be curious to know if most all TTers agree
> > with the separate entities belief. At this point...
> > few may want to offer their opinions. I'll ask
> > some Christians I know how they believe and report
> > back.
>
> Part of the problem here is that if they know you are Mormon, they will
> want to make sure that you do not think that they agree with you.
DAVEH: Yeah......I know. Kinda sad, ain't it. I hope none feel as though I am out to trap them as Dean has expressed his fears. I think some may be more afraid of the reaction from other TTers if they agree with anything I say. I appreciate you
taking heat for some of the stuff you've agreed with me about.
> Therefore, when you say "two entities" it is not the same idea that they
> have when they say "two persons." The unique concept in the Trinity is
> that they are distinct persons who are of the SAME SUBSTANCE.
> Therefore, the idea of "separate entities" per se can be misleading,
> especially if a polytheistic or henotheistic view is in mind.
DAVEH: I don't understand why that is so, DavidM. It is quite obvious there are 3 persons/entities in the Godhead, just as there are 3 separate people in a family of two parents and a child. From what I've observed, a lot of folks get hung up on the
"oneness" of God. I don't see why that confuses people, because I believe John pretty well explained it in ch 17 to mean that their oneness implies a oneness of purpose.
> Nevertheless, the relationship between a husband and wife exactly
> mirrors the relationship between the Father and the Son.
DAVEH: Hmmmmm......I guess I should have read further before commenting above! :-)
> Therefore, in
> those ways in which you say that the husband and wife are separate
> persons or separate entities, so also you can say that the Father and
> the Son are separate. The husband does not exist without the wife, and
> likewise the wife does not exist without the husband. So it is with the
> Father and the Son.
DAVEH: Agreed. You and I see this similarly DavidM, But I wonder how many others agree.
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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