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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004
6:36 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Mormons and
Women
From: "Dean Moore" <
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DAVEH: I find the below a bit curious, Judy <bigt
snip>....
So Judy......In my opinion, Karen's 'testimony' is a
bit too contrived to
be believed by anyone except those who are gullible.
Judy:
I have another Oophs! here. It wasn't Karen who wrote the first
testimony.
I read more than one and got the names mixed up; that woman
didn't give
her name and Karen's testimony is the one below. I'm posting it
because it
goes along with Dean's experiences. If this anointing
with oil goes on then
I wouldn't be surprised at anything that follows.
Blaine: The anointing with water first--a
cleansing ordinance--and then oil afterwards does happen. But it
is done on the head, neck, face, arms, hands, lower legs and
feet. And it is not done in the circular room, or even near
it. It is done in a special ordinance room where males officiate
with males, and then another separate room where females officiate
with females. There are always two women or two men for
each ordinance, one a witness of the other, so noone can claim
anything bad or evil is happening. No--none--mixing of the sexes ever
happens.
Dean writes:
At the risk of sounding gullable Daveh-I have
personally had women come
up to me on the street in SLC and make similar claims in the area
that they
are oppressed by Mormon Church-talking of suicide and
talked of becoming a
lesbian-some even have made claims of
being raped in the Temple. One went
as far as tell me that she
approached me because we were the only ones who
would stand up to
this church. I could overlook one isolated report of this
event but
we have had many come up to us with the same report-but don't
ask
for names as they were afraid to give those out. I have told
you of this
before- last year. Is this related to the fact that SLC
has a much higher
average than the nation in teen pregnancy and
drug abuse? You will know
them by their fruits.Do you ignore the
suffering of your own people by
turning a blind eye to this
also?.
Blaine: I go to the temple on
average of at least once per month, and what Dean wrote is
just so far out!!! Wow! Nothing sexual EVER happens
in the temples. The above--women being raped in the temple--is
so rediculous it would be laughable. But I seldom laugh at
an outright lie, which is what thie story of rape has to be. The
temple workers are almost always senior citizens. The men
wear white suits with ties, and the women wear long white gowns,
buttoned to the neck--talk about a bunch of puritans, these people
could pass for such. LOL They are just a bunch of
nice old people who are working out their days in the service of God,
and glad to have the privilege of having something to do in their
retirement. And when I say NICE, I mean they are the nicest
people I have ever met. They are all volunteers. Many of
them have been Bishops, and Stake Leaders--but all upstanding people
in every way, called and chosen BECAUSE of their long records of
service to others and of keeping God's commandments. In
fact, the president of the temple in West Jordon, Utah, is the brother
of the former Governor of Utah Mike Leavitt who is now a member
of President Bush's cabinet. THAT is the caliber of people you
will meet if you ever get inside a HOUSE OF THE LORD, wherein HOLINESS
TO THE LORD is practiced!!
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Karen writes:
I was reading your article about the Mormon's and the JW's and I
have for
long time known something was really wierd about the Mormons. I
lived in
Boise, Idaho for many years in the 70's and the 80's and they
built a new
Temple (first in Idaho) right off the freeway so all could see.
For a few days
before the actual opening of the Temple they allowed everyone who
wished
to tour through the temple and see what is there.
Blaine: Of course, they did exactly
the above--so far, so good. But ask yourself, please, why would
they allow people to tour in the temples if they had something to
hide? The answer is that they have nothing to hide--that's
it! NOTHING!
I saw with my own eyes a circular
room with 12 doorways covered by cloth
curtain which they explained were the doorways where the elders
were to stand
and look as a young initiate was to undress and which they were
supposed to
anoint every 'orifice' with oil. Next to this room and leading
from that room
was a room where there was a GOLDEN CALF. Really now...what do
they need
to have a golden calf for as in the Old Testament which the
Jewish people
made sacrifice to when Moses was out trying to write down from
God the
Ten Comandments.
Blaine: This is clearly a
fabrication, because I have been in several temples, including the
Boise temple, and they are all alike inside, all have the same
ordinances ongoing. Those I have not seen have been photographed
inside , and they are the same as the ones I have been in. The
circular room was the endowment room, and I KNOW nothing she described
ever takes place there. There are NO golden calves
ANYWHERE in any temple. There is a circular baptismal font,
supported by twelve bronze-cast oxen, representing the twelve tribes
of Israel, where all baptisms for the dead are done. The water
is about waist deep, and separate dressing rooms for men and for women
are on opposite sides of the font. Persons being baptized must
be fully clothed in white pants and shirt or coat. Anointing
every "orifice" is a lie-- no "orifices" are ever anointed.
Karen totally misrepresented--or misunderst! ! ood-- what she
saw.
They didn't actually admit that they did sacrificing but
they said it was for
their rituals of 'Faith'... I just thought you might find this
interesting as you
said no one had ever been in one of their temples who wasn't a
Mormon
and I might be just one of those rare persons.
Thanks,
Karen
Blaine: EVERY temple is opened up
for public view for days--usually two weeks---before it is dedicated
to the work of the Lord, so if anyone wants they can go see the inside
of the next one that is completed. Go to
www. meridianmagazine.com for
information on temples, and anything else that is currently
going on in the Church. Also a lot of informative and
interesting articles on that site.
