Maybe, as I have suggested before, you need to find someone
whith
a couch > >in his
office, and tell him all
about this
problem you have. LOL
>
> Well,
this is the second time you have suggested that I need clinical help.
>
Iin a debate, when one of the parties begins to attack their opponent
>
personally, it is a sign that they have lost the debate.
>
>
Perry
**Blaine: Did I
suggest that you need clinical help? Well, maybe you have a
point there. I will try to remember the rule from now on. But I
thought I was saying you need someone else besides us poor worn out Mormons on
TT to listen to your complaints against the LDS Church. A little
cathartic listening is what I meant. Maybe your minister? Maybe
just tell it to the wind? I know a woman who sits down each
day and writes--in her own handwriting, which is important-- all of
her complaints in a journal. She says it does her a lot of
good, and noone else any harm. When she gets a journal full, she
files it under "G" for Garbage, and starts a new journal. Sounds like it
might work--I tried it once myself, and thought it was great.
Blaine stop the typical LDS BS (Belief System)
If you are going to SLAM Perry, at least be Man
enough to stick to it.
It is so sad that we would have to argue over your obvious SLAM!
Who has a couch in his "OFFICE", other than you know who?
What kind of person with a office listens to people with "PROBLEM"s
Then you have the nerve to think that since you did not use the Term
CLINICAL you can deny it all?
Truth the whole truth and nothing but the Truth, is that what are giving
us?
God sees it all, anything but the Truth the whole truth and nothing but
is SIN!
If I am wrong go ahead tell us
Who has a couch in their OFFICE to hear PROBLEMS
While your at it maybe you could answer some of the other questions you
avoid.
**Blaine: Is this getting personal again Kevin?
Getting personal is OK for you
street preachers, but not for us po, persecuted Mormons? What about this: Iin a debate, when one
of the parties begins to attack their opponent
> personally, it is a
sign that they have lost the debate. Maybe you should practice what you preach,
huh?
Blaine
Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] LDS: Historical
revisionists and censorers.
>
> >Blaine: Orwellian!!
LOL You have a sinister mind to ascribe Orwellian
>
>motives to the LDS Church in general, but more so with regards to
Brigham
> >Young University, Perry. We are talking
about a school practice here,
> >aren't we? Not a churchwide
practice.
>
> Is not the school owned and run by the church?
**Blaine: BYU is owned by
the Church but run by the administrators of the school, who seem to
have considerable lattitude in making decsions. I am pretty sure much
is done there that the leaders of the Church only hear about after the fact,
and I imagine much is also done that they never hear about. This is
known as "delegation of authority." It would be impossible for the
Church to lead BYU without it. As one Bishop told me once, when I
questioned whether we ought to go ahead with a particular action in his ward
without first consulting authorities, "It is sometimes easier to get
forgiveness than permission." (:>) However, if
something Orwellian is going on, and I seriously doubt it is, it needs to be
addressed. But I would not want to be the one to raise that issue
based on someone at BYU erasing tattoo images on a photo. (:>)
I think they would lau! gh me out of the room.
If so, then it is likely that
> this is
a church endorsed practice. If the church does the same you would
>
probably not know it, especially since anything you might hear about the LDS
> that is not in line with the image you have been programmed to
accept, you
> deny it as a plot to discredit the church. Wake up and
smell the postum.
**Blaine:
What is this POSTUM? If I were to respond to a wakeup call from
you street preachers, would it not be waking up to the smell of
. . . Coffee? (I hope I am not being presumptuous,
now!) Laced with a little 90 proof Traditional Christian BS to
make the day a little rosier? LOL
"They are drunken, but not with
wine, . . . "
Nothing sinister here!! Just common sense
that if you photograph and
> >publish the photo of a very
popular athlete wearing obvious violations of
> >the school
standards on his arm, you are publicly endorsing the violation.
>
> There is a contradiction in your very statement above, Blaine. Tell
me you
> can't see it. The school recruits an athlete whose tattoos
violate the
> schools standards, then tries to hide that by doctoring
the photos?
**Blaine: Wearing tattoos is, as far as I have been
able to tell, still considered a minor infraction. They
probably try not to be guilty of straining at a gnat, then swallowing
an entire camel, so to speak. The BYU administration, if I read them
correctly, are more concerned with major infractions, like alcohol
abuse, drug abuse, fighting, pornography, womanizing, etc.
Tattoos are important, but are obviousl;y not considered of major
consequence. I have never heard of a BYU student getting sacked for
tattoos only--but for drug abuse, and other heavy violations,
yes.
>
> >Of course that makes sense to me,
but maybe not to someone like yourself
> >who seems to see
sinister plots and/or conspiritorial motives in everything
> >the
Mormon Church does.
>
> That is what scares me...it ma! kes
sense to you. I wonder if all Mormons
> blindly accept the Orwellian
practices of their church and it's school as
> making sense. Now,
that is a scary thought. It is this very mindset that
> allows events
like the Mountain Meadows Massacre to happen. I was hoping
> that the
LDS church had grown beyond that point.
**Blaine: Maybe before we debate the
MMM, we should first look at the depradations committed against Mormons
in New York, Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. Thousands of wrongful
deaths occurred in those states, in some cases children were
slaughtered. I already mentioned the Haun's Mill Massacre in a
previous post, to which noone replied. I am still waiting for a
reply. If you are willing to do that,
maybe we can debate on the subject of the MMM. I would not
mind doing so, actually.
> >Maybe, as I have suggested before, you
need to find someone whith a couch
> >in his office, and tell him
all about this problem you have. LOL
>
> Well, this is
the second time you have suggested that I need clinical help.
> Iin a
debate, when one of the parties begins to attack their opponent
>
personally, it is a sign that they have lost the debate.
>
>
Perry
**Blaine: Did
I suggest that you need clinical help? Well, maybe you have
a point there. I will try to remember the rule from now on. But
I thought I was saying you need someone else besides us poor worn out
Mormons on TT to listen to your complaints against the LDS Church. A
little cathartic listening is what I meant. Maybe your minister?
Maybe just tell it to the wind? I know a woman who sits
down each day and writes--in her own handwriting, which is
important-- all of her complaints in a journal. She says it does
her a lot of good, and noone else any harm. When she gets a
journal full, she files it under "G" for Garbage, and starts a new
journal. Sounds like it might work--I tried it once myself, and
thought it was great.
>
>
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