From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With God Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:56:40 -0700
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With God
>
>
>
> >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With God
> >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 00:40:05 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> >Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> >
> > > >DAVEH: I've previously wanted to discuss these Perry, but so far I
> >don't
> > > >recall anybody wanting to have a serious discussion. Are you willing
> >to do
> > > >so? If you don't like how I defined them, please offer your definition
> >and
> > > >we can chat about our contrasting views.
**Blaine: I really don't believe Perry wants a sincere discussion. LOL I think he basically wants others to believe that we have a language of our own, so to speak, and that we do so in order to deliberately decieve others into accepting Mormon doctrines, and are therefore not to be trusted in anything we say or do. No discussion above all else, lest we show this to be wrong. Feel free to correct me if you feel I have perceived Perry wrongly. Perry, is this how it is, or ? I have emphasized a few lines in red below to point out what leads me to believe this
> > > My goal in pointing out the LDS meaning v. the Christian meaning is
> >to
> > > remind people that when LDS use words, they often mean something
> >different
> > > than what Christians mean when they use them.
> >
> >DAVEH: I've got no problem with that, Perry. I have often given my
> >definition for words as I see them just so TTers wouldn't be confused. All
> >I ask in return is that TTers tell me how they define them, so we can carry
> >on a reasonable conversation about
> >them.
> >
> > > I do not want Christians who
> > > do not know the LDS meanings to be mislead into thinking that the
> >Mormons
> > > think or believe the same way Christians do. Call me protective, but I
> >feel
> > > it is my duty, if I know that someone is being mislead by words, to
> >correct
> > > that. You certainly aren't going to tell them that you mean something
> > > different.
> >
> >DAVEH: LOL.....Nonsense, Perry. Have I not said that I believe being one
> >with God refers to purpose? And, have I not said that it is the ultimate
> >goal of our eternal progression to become like God.....as in, becoming a
> >God? Do you think there are any
> >TTer who thinks I've been trying to hide my beliefs about these
> >definitions? Long before you came to TT, Perry, I've tried to make a point
> >of defining my terms so that there would be as little confusion as possible
> >in TT about what I believe. My past
> >posts speak for themselves.
> >
> > > And, if you want "my" definition, use the Bible and a good dictionary.
> > > Strong's, Vine's, and Zhodiates' come to mind.
> >
> >DAVEH: I see. Could this mean you don't want to discuss them with me?
> >
>
> You can look them up as easily as I can. Strongs is a foundational
> translation dictionary, and is indexed to the KJV...I am surprised that you
> do not own it. Zhodiates is far more advanced than Strongs...it describes
> and breaks meanings of words down by what part of speech they are being used
> in, and in what sense they are used in each verse in wehich they appear..
>
> > I am a bit of a disadvantage here Perry, as I don't have any of the
> >reference sources you mentioned above......excepting the Bible. And as I
> >read Jn 17, purpose certainly seems to be the underlying message of the
> >oneness of God with his Son and
> >ourselves. However, I do have a non-LDS work, THE INTERPRETERS ONE-VOLUME
> >COMMENTARY ON THE BIBLE. May I assume that meets with your approval? Let
> >me in part quote from it in reference to Jn 17......
>
> Please do not assume that anything meets with my approval, especially since
> I do not knwo who wrote this volume and what their objective with it was.
>
> >
> >"But the last and the eternally continuing prayer of Jesus is that the
> >unity of love AND PURPOSE he has with his Father will be reflected in the
> >unity of the church in himself, and that the mission he received and
> >fulfilled from his Father will be the
> >same mission of all who find joy fulfilled in his discipleship throughout
> >all times and ages." pg 724
> >
> > I'm at a bit of a loss how to proceed from here, Perry. The above
> >commentary clearly describes purpose as being an integral definition of the
> >oneness described by the Lord in ch 17. If you disagree, please explain
> >why?
>
> Purpose is part of the picture, but there is an aspect of their unity that
> you have been not able to understand, even though you admit that it has been
> explained to you for 3-4 years by several TT'rs, including me. When the Holy
> Spirit chooses to reveal it to you, you will see it.
Blaine: This last bit in particular tells me Perry is saying we are not only deliberately deceiving others, but that we cannot understand ordinary communications, written in ordinary English? It has been explained to us already many times, and dumbheads that we are, we just can't catch on. I always thought the gospel was simple, so much so that anyone who tries could understand it. But, . . apparently we are somehow beyond all that. Is this because we are Mormons? Is this just my perception, or what? I don't want to be unfair with Perry, of course, since he is always so fair and impartial with us.
>
> Perry
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN.
> http://wine.msn.com/
>
> ----------
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
>
> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
>
_________________________________________________________________
Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx
---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
