Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> > And, if you want "my" definition, use the Bible and a good dictionary.DAVEH: Thanx for your advice. I will pursue purchasing them in the near future. I do have a STRONGS EXHAUSTIVE CONCORDANCE, but have not yet picked up a dictionary. I've got so many books, I have to be careful when I'm in used book stores, as I sometimes tend to buy stuff I already have. Now that we've had this discussion, I'll be on the lookout for the dictionaries. (I do have several, but not the versions you've mentioned.)
> > Strong's, Vine's, and Zhodiates' come to mind.
>
>DAVEH: I see. Could this mean you don't want to discuss them with me?
>You can look them up as easily as I can. Strongs is a foundational
translation dictionary, and is indexed to the KJV...I am surprised that you
do not own it. Zhodiates is far more advanced than Strongs...it describes
and breaks meanings of words down by what part of speech they are being used
in, and in what sense they are used in each verse in wehich they appear..
> I am a bit of a disadvantage here Perry, as I don't have any of theDAVEH: ??? Above you said.......
>reference sources you mentioned above......excepting the Bible. And as I
>read Jn 17, purpose certainly seems to be the underlying message of the
>oneness of God with his Son and
>ourselves. However, I do have a non-LDS work, THE INTERPRETERS ONE-VOLUME
>COMMENTARY ON THE BIBLE. May I assume that meets with your approval? Let
>me in part quote from it in reference to Jn 17......Please do not assume that anything meets with my approval, especially since
I do not knwo who wrote this volume and what their objective with it was.
"And, if you want "my" definition, use the Bible and a good dictionary."
......and you suggested several possibilities. How was I to know THE INTERPRETERS ONE-VOLUME COMMENTARY ON THE BIBLE was not acceptable to you?
>"But the last and the eternally continuing prayer of Jesus is that theDAVEH: Huh!?!?!?! If that is so, then why do you criticize me for suggesting such???
>unity of love AND PURPOSE he has with his Father will be reflected in the
>unity of the church in himself, and that the mission he received and
>fulfilled from his Father will be the
>same mission of all who find joy fulfilled in his discipleship throughout
>all times and ages." pg 724
>
> I'm at a bit of a loss how to proceed from here, Perry. The above
>commentary clearly describes purpose as being an integral definition of the
>oneness described by the Lord in ch 17. If you disagree, please explain
>why?Purpose is part of the picture,
Do you see why I am a bit frustrated when discussing things like this with you, Perry? I don't mind you disagreeing with my belief system, but you tell me to look it up in a Bible dictionary......I did (in a commentary), and it agreed with me. Now you too are agreeing with me. Just where do you disagree, Perry??? And....just what did I say about oneness that caused you to respond so negatively?
but there is an aspect of their unity thatDAVEH: I do not recall that. Can you quote the post back, or give me the date (or approximate date) you posted it?
you have been not able to understand, even though you admit that it has been
explained to you for 3-4 years by several TT'rs, including me.
The only time I recall saying such is regarding the T-Doctrine. Are you confusing my comments about the T-Doctrine with this thread? I do not remember discussing oneness with you or anybody else on TT. Several TTers have mentioned oneness as evidence that God is one. When I've responded to their comment with the observation that whatever oneness Jesus and his Father have in common, it is the same oneness that we are also to have with them......which suggests that oneness has little to do with one God, but rather makes much more sense when one considers our oneness to be related in purpose. Do you recall having such a discussion about that with me, Perry?
When the HolyDAVEH: What kind of answer is that, Perry? I DO "see it", and fully believe the HS has revealed the truth of oneness to me. If you don't want to explain how you understand it, that is OK......though disappointing. As you may remember.....I'm here to learn how/what you believe and why. By responding as you did above, I have no idea of your understanding of oneness.....other than you apparently agree that purpose is a part of it.....in that, we agree.
Spirit chooses to reveal it to you, you will see it.
Perry
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