SEED SEED SEED forever
Moses 5:11 And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.
2 Nephi 2 And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end. And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy
So LDS theology teaches No Joy because there was no sex?
if a man marry a wife ...is sealed...to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end
Mormon Doctrine p 257 & 321 says godhood is eternal increase
J F Smith Doctrines of Salvation v2 p9 "What is eternal life? It is a continuation of the seeds forever and ever"
NOT A SIN BUT ACTUALLY THE WAY OF SALVATION
LDS god ENTICES TO SIN
"it must needs be that there was an opposition; even the forbidden fruit in opposition to the tree of life; the one being sweet and the other bitter. Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other." (2 Nephi 2:11-16.) Thus we see why the Lord gave two conflicting commandments -- one to become mortal and have children, the other to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil out of which mortality and children and death would result. The issue is one of choosing between opposites. Adam must choose to become mortal so he could have children, on the one hand; on the other hand, he must choose to remain forever in the garden in a state of innocence. He chose to partake of the forbidden fruit so that the purposes of God might be accomplished by providing a probationary
estate for his spirit children. Adam must needs fall so that he would know good from evil, virtue from vice, righteousness from wickedness. He could not have done this without breaking a law and becoming subject to sin. He chose the Lord's way; there was no other way whereby salvation might come unto the children of men." (McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.91)
NOT A SIN BUT A FORMALITY
"For reasons that have not been revealed, this transition, or "fall,"
could not happen without a transgression-an exercise of moral agency amounting to a willful breaking of a law (see Moses 6:59). This would be a planned offense, a formality to serve an eternal purpose. The Prophet Lehi explained that "if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen" but would have remained in the same state in which he was created (2 nephi 2:22). Missionary Preparation, Religion 130 p 74 Lesson 10
could not happen without a transgression-an exercise of moral agency amounting to a willful breaking of a law (see Moses 6:59). This would be a planned offense, a formality to serve an eternal purpose. The Prophet Lehi explained that "if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen" but would have remained in the same state in which he was created (2 nephi 2:22). Missionary Preparation, Religion 130 p 74 Lesson 10
NOT A SIN BUT AN ESSENTIAL ACT
Doctrines of Salvation p114 "'TRANSGRESSION' NOT 'SIN' OF ADAM," Mormon apostle and prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr. wrote, "I never speak of the part Eve took in this fall as a sin, nor do I accuse Adam of a sin". On page 115, "This was a transgression of the law, but not a sin in the strict sense, for it was something that Adam and Eve had to do!". "The 'fall' of Adam and Eve was not a sin but an essential act upon which mortality depends" Smith Answers to Gospel Questions v 5 p15.
Doctrines of Salvation p114 "'TRANSGRESSION' NOT 'SIN' OF ADAM," Mormon apostle and prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr. wrote, "I never speak of the part Eve took in this fall as a sin, nor do I accuse Adam of a sin". On page 115, "This was a transgression of the law, but not a sin in the strict sense, for it was something that Adam and Eve had to do!". "The 'fall' of Adam and Eve was not a sin but an essential act upon which mortality depends" Smith Answers to Gospel Questions v 5 p15.
THIS IS THE WAY - SEED SEED SEED
DC 132:22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
CHURCH CHURCH CHURCH
Marion Romney of the First Presidency, "This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, pg. 119).
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
If death is the wages of sin Romans 6:23, and Adam's and Eve's action was not actually sin, then why did it introduce death into the world in Romans 5:12?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Furthermore......LDS theology teaches they could not have
had children prior to the fall anyway.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do they teach this? Laura
DAVEH: It is revealed in the BofM.......
"And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would
not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of
Eden. And all things which were created must have remained
in the same state in which they were after they were created;
and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
And they would have had no children; wherefore they would
have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they
knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin. But behold,
all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth
all things. Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that
they might have joy." 2Ne 2:22-25
Judy:
The above makes not one bit of sense DaveH. How incredulous
to try to get people to believe that the creator of all joy is joyless
and that he made A&E this way; that one has to wallow in the
mire to have fun, and that men can't be men unless they are in
satan's image ... because this is the outcome of the fall, the
two trees in the garden represent opposing types of wisdom.
DaveH:
.......Does that answer your question, Laura? Now let me ask
you a couple.......IF Adam had not transgressed, he would have
been immortal. I assume you agree with that? Then, do you
believe immortal men and women can have children? Now let
me take it a step further......suppose Eve had partaken of the
FF and had fallen, but Adam had not transgressed and remained
immortal. Do you think Adam (being in a higher state of
immortality) could have had children with Eve (in a lower state
of mortality)?
Judy:
Why strain the brain trying to figure all this out in our fallen
state DaveH? Are we God? I don't know about Laura maybe
she knows more than me but I don't see any point in trying to
speculate on what might have been. ATST I know that to be
holy is a whole lot better for both men and women than the
alternate. Sin leads to sickness, sorrow, sadness and death -
all good gifts come from above from the Father of Lights in
whom there is no degree of shadow or turning... that's reality.
Judy
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